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Especially since I don't have higher user priveleges and this is a wiki of multiple users, I'm posting this to seek consensus on an issue.

• I think the primary article for Melkor should be at Melkor and not Morgoth. True, he is primarily known as Morgoth during the events in Beleriand in the First Age (it's the epithet Fëanor gave him during that age), but he is primarily referred to as Melkor in other eras. Even as the King's Men in Númenor gain more dominance, don't they worship Melkor instead of Morgoth, since it's the name Sauron preferred to call him? Melkor means "mighty", and Morgoth means "black enemy", afterall, and Melkor was certainly not Sauron's enemy. Also, I seem to recall Dagor Dagorath details referring to him mainly as Melkor—once again, Morgoth is primarily a Fëanor-era name. In the long run scheme of things (in terms of the story's timeline), Melkor seems the more meaningful name. - Gilgamesh 14:31, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
• I think Aragorn II should instead be Aragorn Elessar. He was Aragorn II, but as a Chieftain of the Dúnedain. When he assumed his greater role, he became Elessar. But of course we can't forget he is also Aragorn, and I've seen the name Aragorn Elessar around. Bad idea?

That's all I can think of for the time being. - Gilgamesh 14:31, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Agree on the first.

Disagree on the second. Neither "Aragorn Elessar", nor its full Sindarin form "Aragorn Edhelharn", was ever used in Tolkien's works. I wouldn't mind making it "Aragorn", though. -- Ederchil ^{(Talk/Contribs/Edits)} 15:38, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

I totally agree with the Morgoth/Melkor switch, but Aragorn should just be "Aragorn." --Breragor • (Talk • Contribs • Edits) 19:11, 6 February 2010 (UTC)