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Third Age

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	The [[Orcs of the Misty Mountains]], one of the few (more or less) independent Orcish societies, and their leader [[Azog]] started out the [[War of the Dwarves and Orcs]], and after their defeat they retreated in their caves. They appeared again in {{TA\|2941}}, when the [[Battle of Five Armies]] took place.		The [[Orcs of the Misty Mountains]], one of the few (more or less) independent Orcish societies, and their leader [[Azog]] started out the [[War of the Dwarves and Orcs]], and after their defeat they retreated in their caves. They appeared again in {{TA\|2941}}, when the [[Battle of Five Armies]] took place.

−	The [[Orcs of Mordor]] fought in major battles during the [[War of the Ring]], such as the [[Battle of the Pelennor Fields]], but the entire [[Mordor]] force was destroyed in the [[Battle of the Morannon]].	+	The [[Orcs of Mordor]] fought in major battles during the [[War of the Ring]], such as the [[Battle of the Pelennor Fields]], but the entire [[Mordor]] force was destroyed or scattered at the [[Battle of the Morannon]]. The remainder were hunted down later.

	The Orcs in [[Dol Guldur]] remained in [[Mirkwood]] until the [[Fall of Dol Guldur]], one of the last battles of the War of the Ring.		The Orcs in [[Dol Guldur]] remained in [[Mirkwood]] until the [[Fall of Dol Guldur]], one of the last battles of the War of the Ring.

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	However, it is also mentioned that the word ''Orc'' is Anglo-Saxon for "Foreigner, Monster, Demon" and was used to refer to the Normans invading the Anglish in 1066.<ref>"[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1329539/ 1066 The Battle for Middle Earth]" 2009 (documentary)</ref>		However, it is also mentioned that the word ''Orc'' is Anglo-Saxon for "Foreigner, Monster, Demon" and was used to refer to the Normans invading the Anglish in 1066.<ref>"[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1329539/ 1066 The Battle for Middle Earth]" 2009 (documentary)</ref>
−	==="Orcs" in Tolkien's	+	==="Orcs" in Tolkien's languages===
−	Tolkien said that one of the reason of choosing "Orc" over "Goblin" was the similarity with his fictional languages.<ref name=WJAC>{{WJ\|AC}}, pp. 389-91</ref> Indeed most [[Elvish]], [[Mannish]] and other words for Orc, are similar to the English word. ~~languages===~~	+	Tolkien said that one of the reason of choosing "Orc" over "Goblin" was the similarity with his fictional languages.<ref name=WJAC>{{WJ\|AC}}, pp. 389-91</ref> Indeed most [[Elvish]], [[Mannish]] and other words for Orc, are similar to the English word.

	The basic [[Primitive Quendian]] [[Sundocarme\|root]], from which the words for Orc derive, is [[RUKU]] (said to refer to any "bogey" that scared the Elves)<ref name=WJAC/>:		The basic [[Primitive Quendian]] [[Sundocarme\|root]], from which the words for Orc derive, is [[RUKU]] (said to refer to any "bogey" that scared the Elves)<ref name=WJAC/>:
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	''[[Wiktionary:Goblin\|Goblin]]'' is a folk word which according to ''The Concise Oxford Dictionary of Current English'' is probably derived from the Anglo-French ''[[Wiktionary:gobelin\|gobelin]]'' a diminutive of ''gobel'' (cf. ''[[Wiktionary:kobold\|kobold]]''). William D.B. Loos notes that ''goblin'' is a Romance-derived word, unlike other Germanic words preferred by [[J.R.R. Tolkien\|Tolkien]].<ref>William D.B. Loos, [http://tolkien.slimy.com/tfaq/EnemyMisc.html#Orcs Enemies and Miscellaneous: What was the relationship between Orcs and Goblins?] at [http://tolkien.slimy.com/tfaq/ The Tolkien Frequently Asked Questions List] (accessed 3 July 2011)</ref>		''[[Wiktionary:Goblin\|Goblin]]'' is a folk word which according to ''The Concise Oxford Dictionary of Current English'' is probably derived from the Anglo-French ''[[Wiktionary:gobelin\|gobelin]]'' a diminutive of ''gobel'' (cf. ''[[Wiktionary:kobold\|kobold]]''). William D.B. Loos notes that ''goblin'' is a Romance-derived word, unlike other Germanic words preferred by [[J.R.R. Tolkien\|Tolkien]].<ref>William D.B. Loos, [http://tolkien.slimy.com/tfaq/EnemyMisc.html#Orcs Enemies and Miscellaneous: What was the relationship between Orcs and Goblins?] at [http://tolkien.slimy.com/tfaq/ The Tolkien Frequently Asked Questions List] (accessed 3 July 2011)</ref>

−	==="Goblin" in Tolkien's===	+	==="Goblin" in Tolkien's languages===

−	In the [[The Etymologies\|''Etymologies'']], the Elvish names used to translate "goblin" derive from root [[RUKU#Other versions\|ÓROK]] and are:<ref name=LR379>{{LR\|Etymologies}}, p. 379 (entry for ÓROK)</ref>~~languages===~~	+	In the [[The Etymologies\|''Etymologies'']], the Elvish names used to translate "goblin" derive from root [[RUKU#Other versions\|ÓROK]] and are:<ref name=LR379>{{LR\|Etymologies}}, p. 379 (entry for ÓROK)</ref>

	*[[Quenya]]: '''''orko''''' (pl. '''''orqi''''')		*[[Quenya]]: '''''orko''''' (pl. '''''orqi''''')
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	In an early linguistic writing, Tolkien translated the [[Gnomish]] word ''Gong'' as "one of a tribe of the orcs. a goblin."<ref>{{PE\|11}}, p. 41</ref>		In an early linguistic writing, Tolkien translated the [[Gnomish]] word ''Gong'' as "one of a tribe of the orcs. a goblin."<ref>{{PE\|11}}, p. 41</ref>

−	==Other Versions of the L===	+	==Other Versions of the Legendarium===

	===Origin===		===Origin===
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	==Other writings==		==Other writings==
	In ''[[The Letters of Father Christmas]]'', goblins appear as the enemies of [[Father Christmas]] and the [[Red Elves]].		In ''[[The Letters of Father Christmas]]'', goblins appear as the enemies of [[Father Christmas]] and the [[Red Elves]].
−	==Portrayal in Adaptations	+	==Portrayal in Adaptations==
	===Orcs===		===Orcs===
	{{stub}}[[File:The Lord of the Rings War in the North - Orc3.jpg\|250px\|thumb\|An '''Orc''' in [[Fornost]] in ''[[The Lord of the Rings: War in the North]]''.]]==		{{stub}}[[File:The Lord of the Rings War in the North - Orc3.jpg\|250px\|thumb\|An '''Orc''' in [[Fornost]] in ''[[The Lord of the Rings: War in the North]]''.]]==

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Goblin

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	''[[Wiktionary:Goblin\|Goblin]]'' is a folk word which according to ''The Concise Oxford Dictionary of Current English'' is probably derived from the Anglo-French ''[[Wiktionary:gobelin\|gobelin]]'' a diminutive of ''gobel'' (cf. ''[[Wiktionary:kobold\|kobold]]''). William D.B. Loos notes that ''goblin'' is a Romance-derived word, unlike other Germanic words preferred by [[J.R.R. Tolkien\|Tolkien]].<ref>William D.B. Loos, [http://tolkien.slimy.com/tfaq/EnemyMisc.html#Orcs Enemies and Miscellaneous: What was the relationship between Orcs and Goblins?] at [http://tolkien.slimy.com/tfaq/ The Tolkien Frequently Asked Questions List] (accessed 3 July 2011)</ref>		''[[Wiktionary:Goblin\|Goblin]]'' is a folk word which according to ''The Concise Oxford Dictionary of Current English'' is probably derived from the Anglo-French ''[[Wiktionary:gobelin\|gobelin]]'' a diminutive of ''gobel'' (cf. ''[[Wiktionary:kobold\|kobold]]''). William D.B. Loos notes that ''goblin'' is a Romance-derived word, unlike other Germanic words preferred by [[J.R.R. Tolkien\|Tolkien]].<ref>William D.B. Loos, [http://tolkien.slimy.com/tfaq/EnemyMisc.html#Orcs Enemies and Miscellaneous: What was the relationship between Orcs and Goblins?] at [http://tolkien.slimy.com/tfaq/ The Tolkien Frequently Asked Questions List] (accessed 3 July 2011)</ref>

−	==="Goblin" in Tolkien's	+	==="Goblin" in Tolkien's===

	In the [[The Etymologies\|''Etymologies'']], the Elvish names used to translate "goblin" derive from root [[RUKU#Other versions\|ÓROK]] and are:<ref name=LR379>{{LR\|Etymologies}}, p. 379 (entry for ÓROK)</ref>languages===		In the [[The Etymologies\|''Etymologies'']], the Elvish names used to translate "goblin" derive from root [[RUKU#Other versions\|ÓROK]] and are:<ref name=LR379>{{LR\|Etymologies}}, p. 379 (entry for ÓROK)</ref>languages===
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	In an early linguistic writing, Tolkien translated the [[Gnomish]] word ''Gong'' as "one of a tribe of the orcs. a goblin."<ref>{{PE\|11}}, p. 41</ref>		In an early linguistic writing, Tolkien translated the [[Gnomish]] word ''Gong'' as "one of a tribe of the orcs. a goblin."<ref>{{PE\|11}}, p. 41</ref>

−	==Other Versions of the L	+	==Other Versions of the L===
		+
	===Origin===		===Origin===
	According to the oldest "theory" proposed by Tolkien, Orcs were made of stone and slime through the sorcery of Morgoth. But, Tolkien later changed the legendarium so that Morgoth could no longer produce life on his own.		According to the oldest "theory" proposed by Tolkien, Orcs were made of stone and slime through the sorcery of Morgoth. But, Tolkien later changed the legendarium so that Morgoth could no longer produce life on his own.

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Origin

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	==Other Versions of the L		==Other Versions of the L
	===Origin===		===Origin===
−	According to the oldest "theory" proposed by Tolkien, Orcs were made of stone and slime through the sorcery of Morgoth. But, Tolkien later changed the legendarium so that Morgoth could no longer produce life on his own.~~engendarium==~~	+	According to the oldest "theory" proposed by Tolkien, Orcs were made of stone and slime through the sorcery of Morgoth. But, Tolkien later changed the legendarium so that Morgoth could no longer produce life on his own.

	While Tolkien originally saw all Orcs as descended from tortured Elves, later comments of his indicate, according to [[Christopher Tolkien]] in ''Morgoth's Ring'' ("Myths Transformed, text X"), that he began to feel uncomfortable with the theory that orcs were descending from Elves. However, Tolkien died before he could complete his upheaval of the cosmology, and in the published version of ''The Silmarillion'', the Elf origin of Orcs was adopted. It does not appear that the elder Tolkien ever decided on a definitive answer.		While Tolkien originally saw all Orcs as descended from tortured Elves, later comments of his indicate, according to [[Christopher Tolkien]] in ''Morgoth's Ring'' ("Myths Transformed, text X"), that he began to feel uncomfortable with the theory that orcs were descending from Elves. However, Tolkien died before he could complete his upheaval of the cosmology, and in the published version of ''The Silmarillion'', the Elf origin of Orcs was adopted. It does not appear that the elder Tolkien ever decided on a definitive answer.

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Added references for height and lifespan.

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	\| dominions=[[Mordor]], [[Angband]], [[Misty Mountains]], [[Mount Gundabad]], [[Angmar]], [[Utumno]]		\| dominions=[[Mordor]], [[Angband]], [[Misty Mountains]], [[Mount Gundabad]], [[Angmar]], [[Utumno]]
	\| languages= [[Black Speech]]; numerous [[Orkish]] languages of their own		\| languages= [[Black Speech]]; numerous [[Orkish]] languages of their own
−	\| height= ~~probably just above 5~~'{{~~fact~~}}	+	\| height= generally around 3 <sup>1</sup>/<sub>2</sub>' or 4',<ref>{{FR\|II5}} The ''Huge'' orc-chieftain is described as ''almost man high''</ref>
	\| length=		\| length=
	\| skincolor= Sallow, Green, Brown, Grey		\| skincolor= Sallow, Green, Brown, Grey
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	\| feathers=		\| feathers=
	\| distinctions= Short, sallow		\| distinctions= Short, sallow
−	\| lifespan=	+	\| lifespan= Unknown, but probably immortal or at least very long lives <ref>{{S\|3}}</ref><ref>http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Orcs#Lifespan</ref>
	\| members=[[Othrod]], [[Azog]], [[Bolg]], [[Gorbag]]		\| members=[[Othrod]], [[Azog]], [[Bolg]], [[Gorbag]]
	}}		}}

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slight rewrite.

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	===Kinds of Orcs===		===Kinds of Orcs===
−		+	The Fellowship usually encountered the large soldier-Orcs bred for war, and sometimes the "snaga" variety which were more geared towards being labourers. Another type is referred to as "snufflers", smaller, black-skinned Orcs and wide nostrils, excelling in tracking. Despite the smaller size, one snuffler was able to skilfully kill a soldier-orc when they got into a disagreement.<ref name="Cirith">{{RK\|VI1}}</ref>
−	~~Tolkien loosely implies that there are actually several different breeds of Orcs, not simply in the wide variety in clans, but strains of Orc that were specifically bred for certain tasks.~~	+
−		+
−	The Fellowship usually ~~encounters~~ the large soldier-Orcs bred for war, and sometimes the "snaga" variety which were more geared towards being labourers. ~~However, a strong hint at the variety of Orc breeds~~ is ~~when Frodo and Sam are in Mordor, and realize that they are being followed by two Orcs, then hide~~ to ~~observe them. One of the Orcs is a normal soldier-Orc~~, ~~but the other is described as a breed specifically geared towards being a tracker. This tracker-Orc was~~ smaller ~~than the soldier~~-~~Orc, but had "~~wide ~~and snuffling~~ nostrils". ~~Although~~ smaller, ~~the tracker~~ was able to skilfully kill ~~the~~ soldier-orc when they got into a disagreement.	+

	*[[Snaga]]		*[[Snaga]]
		+	*[[Snufflers]]
	*[[Orcs of Mordor]]		*[[Orcs of Mordor]]
	*[[Orcs of the Misty Mountains]]		*[[Orcs of the Misty Mountains]]
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	However, it is also mentioned that the word ''Orc'' is Anglo-Saxon for "Foreigner, Monster, Demon" and was used to refer to the Normans invading the Anglish in 1066.<ref>"[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1329539/ 1066 The Battle for Middle Earth]" 2009 (documentary)</ref>		However, it is also mentioned that the word ''Orc'' is Anglo-Saxon for "Foreigner, Monster, Demon" and was used to refer to the Normans invading the Anglish in 1066.<ref>"[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1329539/ 1066 The Battle for Middle Earth]" 2009 (documentary)</ref>
−	==="Orcs" in Tolkien's ~~languages===~~	+	==="Orcs" in Tolkien's
−	Tolkien said that one of the reason of choosing "Orc" over "Goblin" was the similarity with his fictional languages.<ref name=WJAC>{{WJ\|AC}}, pp. 389-91</ref> Indeed most [[Elvish]], [[Mannish]] and other words for Orc, are similar to the English word.	+	Tolkien said that one of the reason of choosing "Orc" over "Goblin" was the similarity with his fictional languages.<ref name=WJAC>{{WJ\|AC}}, pp. 389-91</ref> Indeed most [[Elvish]], [[Mannish]] and other words for Orc, are similar to the English word. languages===

	The basic [[Primitive Quendian]] [[Sundocarme\|root]], from which the words for Orc derive, is [[RUKU]] (said to refer to any "bogey" that scared the Elves)<ref name=WJAC/>:		The basic [[Primitive Quendian]] [[Sundocarme\|root]], from which the words for Orc derive, is [[RUKU]] (said to refer to any "bogey" that scared the Elves)<ref name=WJAC/>:
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	''[[Wiktionary:Goblin\|Goblin]]'' is a folk word which according to ''The Concise Oxford Dictionary of Current English'' is probably derived from the Anglo-French ''[[Wiktionary:gobelin\|gobelin]]'' a diminutive of ''gobel'' (cf. ''[[Wiktionary:kobold\|kobold]]''). William D.B. Loos notes that ''goblin'' is a Romance-derived word, unlike other Germanic words preferred by [[J.R.R. Tolkien\|Tolkien]].<ref>William D.B. Loos, [http://tolkien.slimy.com/tfaq/EnemyMisc.html#Orcs Enemies and Miscellaneous: What was the relationship between Orcs and Goblins?] at [http://tolkien.slimy.com/tfaq/ The Tolkien Frequently Asked Questions List] (accessed 3 July 2011)</ref>		''[[Wiktionary:Goblin\|Goblin]]'' is a folk word which according to ''The Concise Oxford Dictionary of Current English'' is probably derived from the Anglo-French ''[[Wiktionary:gobelin\|gobelin]]'' a diminutive of ''gobel'' (cf. ''[[Wiktionary:kobold\|kobold]]''). William D.B. Loos notes that ''goblin'' is a Romance-derived word, unlike other Germanic words preferred by [[J.R.R. Tolkien\|Tolkien]].<ref>William D.B. Loos, [http://tolkien.slimy.com/tfaq/EnemyMisc.html#Orcs Enemies and Miscellaneous: What was the relationship between Orcs and Goblins?] at [http://tolkien.slimy.com/tfaq/ The Tolkien Frequently Asked Questions List] (accessed 3 July 2011)</ref>

−	==="Goblin" in Tolkien's ~~languages===~~	+	==="Goblin" in Tolkien's

−	In the [[The Etymologies\|''Etymologies'']], the Elvish names used to translate "goblin" derive from root [[RUKU#Other versions\|ÓROK]] and are:<ref name=LR379>{{LR\|Etymologies}}, p. 379 (entry for ÓROK)</ref>	+	In the [[The Etymologies\|''Etymologies'']], the Elvish names used to translate "goblin" derive from root [[RUKU#Other versions\|ÓROK]] and are:<ref name=LR379>{{LR\|Etymologies}}, p. 379 (entry for ÓROK)</ref>languages===

	*[[Quenya]]: '''''orko''''' (pl. '''''orqi''''')		*[[Quenya]]: '''''orko''''' (pl. '''''orqi''''')
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	In an early linguistic writing, Tolkien translated the [[Gnomish]] word ''Gong'' as "one of a tribe of the orcs. a goblin."<ref>{{PE\|11}}, p. 41</ref>		In an early linguistic writing, Tolkien translated the [[Gnomish]] word ''Gong'' as "one of a tribe of the orcs. a goblin."<ref>{{PE\|11}}, p. 41</ref>

−	==Other Versions of the ~~Lengendarium==~~	+	==Other Versions of the L
	===Origin===		===Origin===
−	According to the oldest "theory" proposed by Tolkien, Orcs were made of stone and slime through the sorcery of Morgoth. But, Tolkien later changed the legendarium so that Morgoth could no longer produce life on his own.	+	According to the oldest "theory" proposed by Tolkien, Orcs were made of stone and slime through the sorcery of Morgoth. But, Tolkien later changed the legendarium so that Morgoth could no longer produce life on his own.engendarium==

	While Tolkien originally saw all Orcs as descended from tortured Elves, later comments of his indicate, according to [[Christopher Tolkien]] in ''Morgoth's Ring'' ("Myths Transformed, text X"), that he began to feel uncomfortable with the theory that orcs were descending from Elves. However, Tolkien died before he could complete his upheaval of the cosmology, and in the published version of ''The Silmarillion'', the Elf origin of Orcs was adopted. It does not appear that the elder Tolkien ever decided on a definitive answer.		While Tolkien originally saw all Orcs as descended from tortured Elves, later comments of his indicate, according to [[Christopher Tolkien]] in ''Morgoth's Ring'' ("Myths Transformed, text X"), that he began to feel uncomfortable with the theory that orcs were descending from Elves. However, Tolkien died before he could complete his upheaval of the cosmology, and in the published version of ''The Silmarillion'', the Elf origin of Orcs was adopted. It does not appear that the elder Tolkien ever decided on a definitive answer.
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	==Other writings==		==Other writings==
	In ''[[The Letters of Father Christmas]]'', goblins appear as the enemies of [[Father Christmas]] and the [[Red Elves]].		In ''[[The Letters of Father Christmas]]'', goblins appear as the enemies of [[Father Christmas]] and the [[Red Elves]].
−	==Portrayal in Adaptations==	+	==Portrayal in Adaptations
	===Orcs===		===Orcs===
−	{{stub}}[[File:The Lord of the Rings War in the North - Orc3.jpg\|250px\|thumb\|An '''Orc''' in [[Fornost]] in ''[[The Lord of the Rings: War in the North]]''.]]	+	{{stub}}[[File:The Lord of the Rings War in the North - Orc3.jpg\|250px\|thumb\|An '''Orc''' in [[Fornost]] in ''[[The Lord of the Rings: War in the North]]''.]]==
	'''2007: ''[[The Lord of the Rings Online]]'':'''		'''2007: ''[[The Lord of the Rings Online]]'':'''
	:Orc-kind is a genus that include the species of Orc, Goblins, [[Half-orcs]], [[Boggarts]], [[Bugans]] and [[Uruk-hai]].		:Orc-kind is a genus that include the species of Orc, Goblins, [[Half-orcs]], [[Boggarts]], [[Bugans]] and [[Uruk-hai]].

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Tracker orcs have nostrils, plural.

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	Tolkien loosely implies that there are actually several different breeds of Orcs, not simply in the wide variety in clans, but strains of Orc that were specifically bred for certain tasks.		Tolkien loosely implies that there are actually several different breeds of Orcs, not simply in the wide variety in clans, but strains of Orc that were specifically bred for certain tasks.

−	The Fellowship usually encounters the large soldier-Orcs bred for war, and sometimes the "snaga" variety which were more geared towards being labourers. However, a strong hint at the variety of Orc breeds is when Frodo and Sam are in Mordor, and realize that they are being followed by two Orcs, then hide to observe them. One of the Orcs is a normal soldier-Orc, but the other is described as ~~a "Snuffler",~~ a breed specifically geared towards being a tracker. This tracker-Orc was~~, compared to~~ the soldier-Orc~~, physically unimposing~~, but had ~~vastly overdeveloped sensory organs, particularly a single giant nostril~~. ~~While physically weak compared to the soldier-Orc~~, the ~~"snuffler"~~ was able to skilfully kill the soldier-orc when they got into a disagreement.	+	The Fellowship usually encounters the large soldier-Orcs bred for war, and sometimes the "snaga" variety which were more geared towards being labourers. However, a strong hint at the variety of Orc breeds is when Frodo and Sam are in Mordor, and realize that they are being followed by two Orcs, then hide to observe them. One of the Orcs is a normal soldier-Orc, but the other is described as a breed specifically geared towards being a tracker. This tracker-Orc was smaller than the soldier-Orc, but had "wide and snuffling nostrils". Although smaller, the tracker was able to skilfully kill the soldier-orc when they got into a disagreement.

	*[[Snaga]]		*[[Snaga]]

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Appearance: removed "roughly man-sized" (Orcs were clearly smaller than Men)

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	===Appearance===		===Appearance===

−	In Tolkien's writing, Orcs are ~~described as humanoid, roughly human-sized, ugly and filthy~~. ~~Although not dim~~-~~witted~~, ~~they are portrayed~~ as ~~dull~~ and ~~miserable beings~~, ~~who corrupt words and are only able to destroy, not to create~~. They had ~~sour~~ black blood.{{fact}}	+	In Tolkien's writing, Orcs are smaller in stature than Men. One "huge orc-chieftain" is "almost Man-high", but others must have been of a similar size to Hobbits (Frodo and Sam succeeded in disguising themselves as Orcs in Mordor). They had long arms and fanged mouths. Some had black skin. Some had short, crooked legs. They had black blood.{{fact}}

	===Kinds of Orcs===		===Kinds of Orcs===

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	{{race		{{race
−	\| image=[[~~Image~~:John Howe - In Mordor.jpg\|250px]]	+	\| image=[[File:John Howe - In Mordor.jpg\|250px]]
	\| name= Orcs		\| name= Orcs
	\| dominions=[[Mordor]], [[Angband]], [[Misty Mountains]], [[Mount Gundabad]], [[Angmar]], [[Utumno]]		\| dominions=[[Mordor]], [[Angband]], [[Misty Mountains]], [[Mount Gundabad]], [[Angmar]], [[Utumno]]
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	\| members=[[Othrod]], [[Azog]], [[Bolg]], [[Gorbag]]		\| members=[[Othrod]], [[Azog]], [[Bolg]], [[Gorbag]]
−	\|}}	+	}}
	'''Orcs''' (also called '''[[Orcs#Orcs and Goblins\|Goblins]]''') were the footsoldiers of evil overlords - [[Morgoth]], [[Sauron]] and the [[Witch-king]] of [[Angmar]].		'''Orcs''' (also called '''[[Orcs#Orcs and Goblins\|Goblins]]''') were the footsoldiers of evil overlords - [[Morgoth]], [[Sauron]] and the [[Witch-king]] of [[Angmar]].

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	The Orcs were bred by [[Morgoth\|Melkor]] in mockery of the [[Elves]], sometime during the [[The Darkness#The Great Darkness\|Great Darkness]].<ref>{{S\|3}}</ref><ref>{{TT\|III4}}</ref>		The Orcs were bred by [[Morgoth\|Melkor]] in mockery of the [[Elves]], sometime during the [[The Darkness#The Great Darkness\|Great Darkness]].<ref>{{S\|3}}</ref><ref>{{TT\|III4}}</ref>

−	[[~~Image~~:~~Warren Mahy~~-Orc ~~Archer~~.jpg\|thumb\|200px\|right\|Orc by [[~~Warren Mahy~~]]]]	+	[[File:John Howe - Orc Swordsman.jpg\|thumb\|200px\|right\|''Orc Swordsman'' by [[John Howe]]]]

	It is unclear when exactly Orcs were created, but it certainly happened before the [[War for Sake of the Elves]] in his stronghold of Utumno. If the Orcs were at this time a capable fighting force against the host of Valinor is not known. But at least some of them survived this war, probably hidden in the deep vaults of [[Angband]] and multiplied, waiting for their master.		It is unclear when exactly Orcs were created, but it certainly happened before the [[War for Sake of the Elves]] in his stronghold of Utumno. If the Orcs were at this time a capable fighting force against the host of Valinor is not known. But at least some of them survived this war, probably hidden in the deep vaults of [[Angband]] and multiplied, waiting for their master.

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	The original edition of ''The Hobbit'' and early drafts of ''The Lord of the Rings'' first used "goblin" everywhere and used "[[Hobgoblins\|hobgoblin]]" for larger, more evil goblins: when goblins were replaced with Orcs Tolkien invented the term Uruk-hai for his more evil Orcs.		The original edition of ''The Hobbit'' and early drafts of ''The Lord of the Rings'' first used "goblin" everywhere and used "[[Hobgoblins\|hobgoblin]]" for larger, more evil goblins: when goblins were replaced with Orcs Tolkien invented the term Uruk-hai for his more evil Orcs.
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−	Tolkien's explanation by the time of ''The Lord of the Rings'' seems to be that "goblin" is a colloquial [[Hobbitish]] term for the race properly known as "Orcs", a term which later spread to other races that speak [[Westron]].

	==Etymology==		==Etymology==