https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Orcs&feed=atom&action=historyOrcs - Revision history2024-03-28T13:56:54ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.39.3https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Orcs&diff=383191&oldid=prevJR Snow: <ref>{{LE|290a}}</ref>2023-12-01T15:35:15Z<p><ref>{{LE|290a}}</ref></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Tolkien derived the word ''orc'' from [[Old English]] believing it refers to a kind of evil spirits,<ref name=L144/> which in turn is thought to derive from Latin ''Orcus'' "Hades", although Tolkien doubted this etymology.<ref><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">[[J.R.R. Tolkien]], "[[Letter to Gene Wolfe]]" (letter)</del></ref> He also thought it survives in the modern language for sea-beasts,<ref>{{HM|N}}, p. 762</ref> such as the [[Wikipedia:Orca Whale|Orca Whale]].</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Tolkien derived the word ''orc'' from [[Old English]] believing it refers to a kind of evil spirits,<ref name=L144/> which in turn is thought to derive from Latin ''Orcus'' "Hades", although Tolkien doubted this etymology.<ref><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">{{LE|290a}}</ins></ref> He also thought it survives in the modern language for sea-beasts,<ref>{{HM|N}}, p. 762</ref> such as the [[Wikipedia:Orca Whale|Orca Whale]].</div></td></tr>
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</table>JR Snowhttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Orcs&diff=382371&oldid=prevAr-Zigûr at 15:51, 21 November 20232023-11-21T15:51:53Z<p></p>
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</table>Ar-Zigûrhttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Orcs&diff=380671&oldid=prevAr-Zigûr: /* First Age */2023-09-25T09:56:08Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">First Age</span></span></p>
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</table>Ar-Zigûrhttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Orcs&diff=379527&oldid=prevDarthbombadil: I apologize I wasn't trying to change original passage meaning previously. I'm just trying to make the verbiage consistent. the last item about going on raids needs its own verb to be part of the list, or there should not be a comma after homes. i agree they didn't "have to" go to war or on raids. i'd used the word "marched" because that's the word in the text, but you're correct in this sentence that implied they "had to" march. how's this?2023-08-29T11:34:54Z<p>I apologize I wasn't trying to change original passage meaning previously. I'm just trying to make the verbiage consistent. the last item about going on raids needs its own verb to be part of the list, or there should not be a comma after homes. i agree they didn't "have to" go to war or on raids. i'd used the word "marched" because that's the word in the text, but you're correct in this sentence that implied they "had to" march. how's this?</p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Orcs of the mountains would often not venture very far from their homes unless they had to look for new homes, went to war or on raids to get food or slaves. In such raids they would often obtain the help of Wargs with whom they then shared the plunder.<ref name=Pan>{{H|Pan}}</ref></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Orcs of the mountains would often not venture very far from their homes unless they had to look for new homes, went to war or <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">went </ins>on raids to get food or slaves. In such raids they would often obtain the help of Wargs with whom they then shared the plunder.<ref name=Pan>{{H|Pan}}</ref></div></td></tr>
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</table>Darthbombadilhttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Orcs&diff=379504&oldid=prevAkhorahil: The chapter Out of the Frying-Pan into the Fire does not say that they "had to" (e.g. were forced to) march to war or had to go on raids. They had to look for new homes when they were driven out from their homes. The past tense is fine for the rest and went does not need to be replaced with marched and does not need to be repeated. Darthbombadil rephrased the passage to say something that the chapter does not say2023-08-29T08:39:07Z<p>The chapter Out of the Frying-Pan into the Fire does not say that they "had to" (e.g. were forced to) march to war or had to go on raids. They had to look for new homes when they were driven out from their homes. The past tense is fine for the rest and went does not need to be replaced with marched and does not need to be repeated. Darthbombadil rephrased the passage to say something that the chapter does not say</p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Orcs of the mountains would often not venture very far from their homes unless they had to look for new homes, <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">march </del>to war<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">, </del>or <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">go </del>on raids to get food or slaves. In such raids they would often obtain the help of Wargs with whom they then shared the plunder.<ref name=Pan>{{H|Pan}}</ref></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Orcs of the mountains would often not venture very far from their homes unless they had to look for new homes, <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">went </ins>to war or on raids to get food or slaves. In such raids they would often obtain the help of Wargs with whom they then shared the plunder.<ref name=Pan>{{H|Pan}}</ref></div></td></tr>
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</table>Akhorahilhttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Orcs&diff=379498&oldid=prevDarthbombadil at 03:33, 29 August 20232023-08-29T03:33:55Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Orcs of the mountains would often not venture very far from their homes unless they had to look for new homes, <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">went </del>to war or on raids to get food or slaves. In such raids they would often <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">obtained </del>the help of Wargs with whom they then shared the plunder.<ref name=Pan>{{H|Pan}}</ref></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Orcs of the mountains would often not venture very far from their homes unless they had to look for new homes, <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">march </ins>to war<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">, </ins>or <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">go </ins>on raids to get food or slaves. In such raids they would often <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">obtain </ins>the help of Wargs with whom they then shared the plunder.<ref name=Pan>{{H|Pan}}</ref></div></td></tr>
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</table>Darthbombadilhttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Orcs&diff=379469&oldid=prevAkhorahil: /* Abilities & Behavior */ Made corrections to stay with what the sources actually said2023-08-28T15:22:11Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Abilities & Behavior: </span> Made corrections to stay with what the sources actually said</span></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Orcs of the mountains would often not venture far unless <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">going </del>to <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">war or looking </del>for new homes, food<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">, </del>or slaves.<ref name=<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">H6</del>>{{H|<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">6</del>}}</ref> <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">In such raids they would often enlist the help of Wargs.</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Orcs of the mountains would often not venture <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">very </ins>far <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">from their homes </ins>unless <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">they had </ins>to <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">look </ins>for new homes, <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">went to war or on raids to get </ins>food or slaves<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">. In such raids they would often obtained the help of Wargs with whom they then shared the plunder</ins>.<ref name=<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Pan</ins>>{{H|<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Pan</ins>}}</ref></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Orcs made no works of beauty but <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">were </del>clever.<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"><ref>{{H|4}}</ref> They </del>were capable at tunneling and mining, surpassed only by the most skilled Dwarves<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">. Yet even in this </del>they were untidy <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">and constructed only when they took the trouble</del>. Orcs were unafraid of fire<ref name=<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">H6</del>/> but shunned water<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">, </del>willing <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">only </del>to <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">travel by </del>sea <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">when </del>absolutely necessary.<ref>{{S|<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">14</del>}}</ref></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Orcs made no works of beauty<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">, </ins>but <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">created many </ins>clever <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">things</ins>. <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">When they took the trouble they </ins>were capable at tunneling and mining, surpassed only by the most skilled Dwarves<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">, but </ins>they were <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">usually dirty and </ins>untidy.<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"><ref>{{H|Hill}}</ref> </ins>Orcs were unafraid of fire<ref name=<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Pan</ins>/> but shunned water <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">and did not </ins>willing <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">go close </ins>to <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">the </ins>sea <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">unless it was </ins>absolutely necessary.<ref>{{S|<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Beleriand</ins>}}</ref></div></td></tr>
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</table>Akhorahilhttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Orcs&diff=379403&oldid=prevDarthbombadil: /* Abilities & Behavior */ changing reference names to be labeled by book and paragraph2023-08-26T16:38:19Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Abilities & Behavior: </span> changing reference names to be labeled by book and paragraph</span></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Orcs of the mountains would often not venture far unless going to war or looking for new homes, food, or slaves.<ref name=<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">hobbit_orc_behavior1</del>>{{H|6}}</ref> In such raids they would often enlist the help of Wargs.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Orcs of the mountains would often not venture far unless going to war or looking for new homes, food, or slaves.<ref name=<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">H6</ins>>{{H|6}}</ref> In such raids they would often enlist the help of Wargs.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Orcs made no works of beauty but were clever.<ref>{{H|4}}</ref> They were capable at tunneling and mining, surpassed only by the most skilled Dwarves. Yet even in this they were untidy and constructed only when they took the trouble. Orcs were unafraid of fire<ref name=<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">hobbit_orc_behavior1</del>/> but shunned water, willing only to travel by sea when absolutely necessary.<ref>{{S|14}}</ref></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Orcs made no works of beauty but were clever.<ref>{{H|4}}</ref> They were capable at tunneling and mining, surpassed only by the most skilled Dwarves. Yet even in this they were untidy and constructed only when they took the trouble. Orcs were unafraid of fire<ref name=<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">H6</ins>/> but shunned water, willing only to travel by sea when absolutely necessary.<ref>{{S|14}}</ref></div></td></tr>
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</table>Darthbombadilhttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Orcs&diff=379401&oldid=prevDarthbombadil: adding a subsection on orc behavior, what skills and abilities they had, what they disliked, etc.2023-08-26T16:32:47Z<p>adding a subsection on orc behavior, what skills and abilities they had, what they disliked, etc.</p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Even when united, the Orcs were consumed with petty rivalries and hatreds. Each time he rose as Dark Lord, Sauron had to contend with many tribes of "wild" Orcs who spoke many tongues and had become accustomed to independence. To meld these disparate, mutually despised groups into a coherent force and prevent them from slaying each other, Sauron had to keep their hatred focused on an outside enemy: the Men and Elves of the West. In this he was highly successful: the Orcs he pressed into his direct service in his trained armies were so completely dominated by his will that they would die for him on command without hesitation.<ref>{{MR|P5X}}, p. 420</ref> </div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Even when united, the Orcs were consumed with petty rivalries and hatreds. Each time he rose as Dark Lord, Sauron had to contend with many tribes of "wild" Orcs who spoke many tongues and had become accustomed to independence. To meld these disparate, mutually despised groups into a coherent force and prevent them from slaying each other, Sauron had to keep their hatred focused on an outside enemy: the Men and Elves of the West. In this he was highly successful: the Orcs he pressed into his direct service in his trained armies were so completely dominated by his will that they would die for him on command without hesitation.<ref>{{MR|P5X}}, p. 420</ref> </div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Orcs were described as smaller in stature than Men on average, strong but crooked in frame and bow-legged. One "huge orc-chieftain" was described as "almost Man-high", but some must have been of a similar size to Hobbits (Frodo and Sam succeeded in disguising themselves as Orcs in Mordor). Their overall appearance varied: they had long arms and fanged mouths; Tolkien describes them as "swart" or "sallow", although one in Mordor is "black-skinned" and others are described generally as "black" (possibly not a reference to skin colour).</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Orcs were described as smaller in stature than Men on average, strong but crooked in frame and bow-legged. One "huge orc-chieftain" was described as "almost Man-high", but some must have been of a similar size to Hobbits (Frodo and Sam succeeded in disguising themselves as Orcs in Mordor). Their overall appearance varied: they had long arms and fanged mouths; Tolkien describes them as "swart" or "sallow", although one in Mordor is "black-skinned" and others are described generally as "black" (possibly not a reference to skin colour).</div></td></tr>
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</table>Darthbombadilhttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Orcs&diff=376439&oldid=prevSage: /* Second Age */2023-07-05T13:48:58Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Second Age</span></span></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>During the [[War of the Elves and Sauron]], in {{SA|1700}}, Orcs formed the main power of Sauron's host. Despite the immeasurable number of Orcs, the Dark Lord was defeated by the united hosts of Elves and [[Númenóreans]]. Still Sauron was powerful east of the [[Misty Mountains]] and the Orcs that inhabited the mountains and the eastern lands multiplied.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>During the [[War of the Elves and Sauron]], in {{SA|1700}}, Orcs formed the main power of Sauron's host. Despite the immeasurable number of Orcs, the Dark Lord was defeated by the united hosts of Elves and [[Númenóreans]]. Still Sauron was powerful east of the [[Misty Mountains]] and the Orcs that inhabited the mountains and the eastern lands multiplied.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>When Sauron was finally driven back from Eriador in {{SA|1701}}, the Alliance ended. The Longbeards [[Dwarves of Moria|of Khazad-dûm]] and [[Dwarves of the Iron Hills|of the Iron Hills]] were cut off for some time since the <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">enemy </del>now <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">occupied their former lands</del>.<ref name=relations/></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>When Sauron was finally driven back from Eriador in {{SA|1701}}, the Alliance ended. The Longbeards [[Dwarves of Moria|of Khazad-dûm]] and [[Dwarves of the Iron Hills|of the Iron Hills]] were cut off for some time since the <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Orcs </ins>now <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">infested the Grey Mountains</ins>.<ref name=relations/<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">><ref>{{PM|Dwarves}}, p. 305</ref</ins>></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Finally, Orcs were the core force of the Dark Lord's legions during the [[War of the Last Alliance]], and fought in great battles such as the [[Battle of Dagorlad]] and the [[Siege of Barad-dûr]].</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Finally, Orcs were the core force of the Dark Lord's legions during the [[War of the Last Alliance]], and fought in great battles such as the [[Battle of Dagorlad]] and the [[Siege of Barad-dûr]].</div></td></tr>
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