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==History==
==History==
[[Camellia Sackville]] was the daughter of the head of the [[Sackville Family]].<ref name="L214">[[J.R.R. Tolkien]], [[Humphrey Carpenter]], [[Christopher Tolkien]] (eds.), ''[[The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien]]'', [[Letter 214]] (late [[1958]], early [[1959]])</ref> She married [[Longo Baggins]], the son of [[Mungo Baggins]].<ref name="Bag">[[J.R.R. Tolkien]], ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'', ''[[Appendix C]]'', "Baggins of Hobbiton"</ref> Some time prior to the birth of their first son, [[Otho Sackville-Baggins|Otho]], Camelia's father died. As was the custom in the "younger" families when there was no male heir, the headship passed to the daughter's eldest son. He would then use his mother's name, and add his father's to it. Thus, the Sackville-Baggins branch was created.<ref name="L214"/>
[[Camellia Sackville]] was the daughter of the head of the [[Sackville Family]].<ref name="L214">[[J.R.R. Tolkien]], [[Humphrey Carpenter]], [[Christopher Tolkien]] (eds.), ''[[The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien]]'', [[Letter 214]] (late [[1958]], early [[1959]])</ref> She married [[Longo Baggins]], the son of [[Mungo Baggins]].<ref name="Bag"/> Some time prior to the birth of their first son, [[Otho Sackville-Baggins|Otho]], Camelia's father died. As was the custom in the "younger" families when there was no male heir, the headship passed to the daughter's eldest son. He would then use his mother's name, and add his father's to it. Thus, the Sackville-Baggins branch was created.<ref name="L214"/>


Otho married [[Lobelia Sackville-Baggins|Lobelia Bracegirdle]] of [[Hardbottle]], and the two had one child, [[Lotho Sackville-Baggins|Lotho]].<ref name="Bag"/> Despite being the heir of the wealthy<ref>[[J.R.R. Tolkien]], [[Humphrey Carpenter]], [[Christopher Tolkien]] (eds.), ''[[The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien]]'', [[Letter 25]] (January or February [[1938]])</ref> Sackville Family, the Sackville-Bagginses yearned for the headship of the Baggins Family, and more specifically, their residence, [[Bag End]].<ref>[[J.R.R. Tolkien]], ''[[The Hobbit]]'', "[[The Return Journey]]"</ref> After the disappearance of [[Bilbo Baggins]], the Sackville-Bagginses made an unsuccessful claim at the headship, but it was already passed to [[Frodo Baggins|Frodo]].<ref name="Party">[[J.R.R. Tolkien]], ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'', ''[[The Fellowship of the Ring]]'', "[[An Unexpected Party]]"</ref>  
Otho married [[Lobelia Sackville-Baggins|Lobelia Bracegirdle]] of [[Hardbottle]], and the two had one child, [[Lotho Sackville-Baggins|Lotho]].<ref name="Bag"/> Despite being the heir of the wealthy<ref>[[J.R.R. Tolkien]], [[Humphrey Carpenter]], [[Christopher Tolkien]] (eds.), ''[[The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien]]'', [[Letter 25]] (January or February [[1938]])</ref> Sackville Family, the Sackville-Bagginses yearned for the headship of the Baggins Family, and more specifically, their residence, [[Bag End]].<ref>[[J.R.R. Tolkien]], ''[[The Hobbit]]'', "[[The Return Journey]]"</ref> After the disappearance of [[Bilbo Baggins]], the Sackville-Bagginses made an unsuccessful claim at the headship, but it was already passed to [[Frodo Baggins|Frodo]].<ref name="Party">[[J.R.R. Tolkien]], ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'', ''[[The Fellowship of the Ring]]'', "[[An Unexpected Party]]"</ref>  
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==Genealogy==
==Genealogy==
<noinclude>The Sackville-Bagginses were descendants of Mungo Baggins, like Bilbo. They considered themselves the heir of the Baggins Family headship because Frodo Baggins was the descendant of [[Largo Baggins]], Mungo's younger brother.</noinclude><includeonly>The Sackville-Baggins family tree.</includeonly><ref name="Bag"/>
<noinclude>The Sackville-Bagginses were descendants of Mungo Baggins, like Bilbo. They considered themselves the heir of the Baggins Family headship because Frodo Baggins was the descendant of [[Largo Baggins]], Mungo's younger brother.</noinclude><includeonly>The Sackville-Baggins family tree.</includeonly><ref name="Bag">{{App|C1}}</ref>


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==Etymology==
==Etymology==
'''Sackville''' was the name of a relatively young Hobbit family.<ref name="L214"/> Their name had an association with '''Baggins''' in that both contained an element for "bag/sack"; Sackville was a slightly more aristocratic version.<ref name="Nomen">[[J.R.R. Tolkien]], [[Wayne G. Hammond]], [[Christina Scull]] (eds.), ''[[Nomenclature of The Lord of the Rings]]'', published in: [[Wayne G. Hammond]], [[Christina Scull]], ''[[The Lord of the Rings: A Reader's Companion]]'', page 762</ref> [[Tom Shippey]] argued that this "similarity" also provoked an antonymy: [[Bag End]] was used around [[England]] as a replacmeent of French ''cul-de-sac'', "dead end street". Even Tolkien's own aunt [[Jane Neave]] lived in a house of that name. Tolkien did not like the Norman conquest of Britain, and made the Bagginses English. The name ''Sackville'', however, is very Norman, as one of the few, if not the only, Hobbit family name.<ref>[[Tom Shippey]], ''[[J.R.R. Tolkien: Author of the Century]]'', page 10</ref>
'''Sackville''' was the name of a relatively young Hobbit family.<ref name="L214"/> Their name had an association with '''Baggins''' in that both contained an element for "bag/sack"; Sackville was a slightly more aristocratic version.<ref name="Nomen">[[J.R.R. Tolkien]], [[Wayne G. Hammond]], [[Christina Scull]] (eds.), ''[[Guide to the Names in The Lord of the Rings|Nomenclature of The Lord of the Rings]]'', published in: [[Wayne G. Hammond]], [[Christina Scull]], ''[[The Lord of the Rings: A Reader's Companion]]'', page 762</ref> [[Tom Shippey]] argued that this "similarity" also provoked an antonymy: [[Bag End]] was used around [[England]] as a replacement of French ''cul-de-sac'', "dead end street" - even Tolkien's own aunt [[Jane Neave]] lived in a house of that name. Tolkien did not like the Norman conquest of Britain, and made the Bagginses English. The name ''Sackville'', however, is very Norman, as one of the few, if not the only, Hobbit family name.<ref>[[Tom Shippey]], ''[[J.R.R. Tolkien: Author of the Century]]'', page 10</ref>
 
==Other Versions of the Legendarium==
In [[J.R.R. Tolkien]]'s manuscript of ''[[The Hobbit]]'' the Sackville-Baggins were called the '''Allibone Baggins'''.<ref>{{HH|End}}, p. 691</ref>  [[John D. Rateliff]] stated that the change to "Sackville" was penciled in about the time the story was being prepared for publication in [[1936]].  The significance of "Allibone" is unknown although Mr. Rateliff thought it might relate to ''Alboin'', a character in ''The Lost Road''.<ref>{{HH|End}}, Text Note 14, p. 699</ref>  
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Revision as of 16:17, 17 August 2012

The Sackville-Baggins Family was a branch of the Baggins Family.

History

Camellia Sackville was the daughter of the head of the Sackville Family.[1] She married Longo Baggins, the son of Mungo Baggins.[2] Some time prior to the birth of their first son, Otho, Camelia's father died. As was the custom in the "younger" families when there was no male heir, the headship passed to the daughter's eldest son. He would then use his mother's name, and add his father's to it. Thus, the Sackville-Baggins branch was created.[1]

Otho married Lobelia Bracegirdle of Hardbottle, and the two had one child, Lotho.[2] Despite being the heir of the wealthy[3] Sackville Family, the Sackville-Bagginses yearned for the headship of the Baggins Family, and more specifically, their residence, Bag End.[4] After the disappearance of Bilbo Baggins, the Sackville-Bagginses made an unsuccessful claim at the headship, but it was already passed to Frodo.[5]

Genealogy

The Sackville-Bagginses were descendants of Mungo Baggins, like Bilbo. They considered themselves the heir of the Baggins Family headship because Frodo Baggins was the descendant of Largo Baggins, Mungo's younger brother.[2]

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Mungo Baggins
1207-1300
 
Laura Grubb
1214-1316
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Belladonna Took
1252-1334
 
Bungo
1246-1326
 
Belba
1256-1356
 
Longo
1260-1350
 
Camellia Sackville
unknown
 
Linda
1262-1363
 
Bingo
1264-1363
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Bilbo
1290-1421+
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Otho Sackville-Baggins
1310-1412
 
Lobelia Bracegirdle
1318-1420
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Lotho
1364-1419
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Etymology

Sackville was the name of a relatively young Hobbit family.[1] Their name had an association with Baggins in that both contained an element for "bag/sack"; Sackville was a slightly more aristocratic version.[6] Tom Shippey argued that this "similarity" also provoked an antonymy: Bag End was used around England as a replacement of French cul-de-sac, "dead end street" - even Tolkien's own aunt Jane Neave lived in a house of that name. Tolkien did not like the Norman conquest of Britain, and made the Bagginses English. The name Sackville, however, is very Norman, as one of the few, if not the only, Hobbit family name.[7]

Other Versions of the Legendarium

In J.R.R. Tolkien's manuscript of The Hobbit the Sackville-Baggins were called the Allibone Baggins.[8] John D. Rateliff stated that the change to "Sackville" was penciled in about the time the story was being prepared for publication in 1936. The significance of "Allibone" is unknown although Mr. Rateliff thought it might relate to Alboin, a character in The Lost Road.[9]

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