https://tolkiengateway.net/w/api.php?action=feedcontributions&user=93.166.49.118&feedformat=atomTolkien Gateway - User contributions [en]2024-03-28T21:54:08ZUser contributionsMediaWiki 1.39.3https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Valian_Years&diff=231417Talk:Valian Years2013-07-07T20:39:21Z<p>93.166.49.118: </p>
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<div>Where is the source for the approximation of the Valian year? Because in the [[Annals of Valinor]] it is set to be ten times that of solar years. [[User:DenDAY|~denDAY]] 20:14, 7 July 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Good question. Looking at this [http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=17889 forum discussion], it appears like the source would be one of Tolkien's letters (I suspect a letter published in ''The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien''). Would you have time to check? --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 20:26, 7 July 2013 (UTC)<br />
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::Sorry but I am not in possession of those letters. [[User:DenDAY|~denDAY]] 20:33, 7 July 2013 (UTC)</div>93.166.49.118https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Valian_Years&diff=231416Talk:Valian Years2013-07-07T20:34:48Z<p>93.166.49.118: </p>
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<div>Where is the source for the approximation of the Valian year? Because in the [[Annals of Valinor]] it is set to be ten times that of solar years. [[User:DenDAY|~denDAY]] 20:14, 7 July 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Good question. Looking at this [http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=17889 forum discussion], it appears like the source would be one of Tolkien's letters (I suspect a letter published in ''The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien''). Would you have time to check? --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 20:26, 7 July 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Sorry but I am not in possession of those letters. [[User:DenDAY|~denDAY]] 20:33, 7 July 2013 (UTC)</div>93.166.49.118https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Valian_Years&diff=231415Talk:Valian Years2013-07-07T20:33:57Z<p>93.166.49.118: </p>
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<div>Where is the source for the approximation of the Valian year? Because in the [[Annals of Valinor]] it is set to be ten times that of solar years. [[User:DenDAY|~denDAY]] 20:14, 7 July 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Good question. Looking at this [http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=17889 forum discussion], it appears like the source would be one of Tolkien's letters (I suspect a letter published in ''The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien''). Would you have time to check? --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 20:26, 7 July 2013 (UTC)<br />
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:Sorry but I am not in possession of those letters. [[Special:Contributions/93.166.49.118|93.166.49.118]] 20:33, 7 July 2013 (UTC)</div>93.166.49.118https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Taur-nu-Fuin_(Dorthonion)&diff=231275Taur-nu-Fuin (Dorthonion)2013-06-30T10:19:28Z<p>93.166.49.118: </p>
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<div>{{disambig-two|the forest in [[Dorthonion]]|alternative name for [[Mirkwood]]|[[Taur-nu-Fuin (Mirkwood)]]}}<br />
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| name=Taur-nu-Fuin<br />
| othernames=[[Dorthonion]]*<br />
| etymology=[[Sindarin|S.]] ''[[taur]]'' "great forest" + ''[[nu]]'' "under" + ''[[fuin]]'' "night, gloom" (translated "nightshade")<br />
| type=Pine-forest<ref>History of Middle-earth Vol. 4: The Shaping of Middle-earth (Ch. 3)</ref><br />
| location=Northern [[Dorthonion]]<br />
| inhabitants=[[Orcs]]<br />
| realms=[[Angband]]<br />
| description=Evil, darkened forest<br />
| events=[[Dagor Bragollach]], [[Massacre at Tarn Aeluin]]<br />
| references=''[[The Silmarillion]]''<br />
|}}<br />
{{quote|To North there lay the [[Dor Daedeloth|Land of Dread]]<br>whence only evil pathways led<br>o’er [[Ered Gorgoroth|hills of shadow]] bleak and cold<br>or Taur-na-Fuin’s haunted hold<br>where Deadly Nightshade lurked and lay<br>and never came or [[moon]] or day.|''[[Lay of Leithian]]'', [[Lay of Leithian Canto I|Canto I]]}}<br />
'''Taur-nu-Fuin''' was a name for the northern parts of [[Dorthonion]], and sometimes for the forest as a whole after it was corrupted by [[Morgoth]] after the [[Dagor Bragollach]]. The kingdoms of Dorthonion were destroyed at that point, including [[Ladros]] and the realm [[Angrod]] and [[Aegnor]]. [[Barahir]] remained as an outlaw in Taur-nu-Fuin, and after his death [[Beren]] his son dwelt in this forest for several years, before crossing the [[Ered Gorgoroth]] and forsaking Dorthonion to its captors. Then it was truly wholly "under nightshade".<ref>{{S|Fingolfin}}</ref><br />
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After [[Sauron]] was defeated by [[Huan]] in their battle upon [[Tol-in-Gaurhoth]] he took the form of a vampire and fled to Taur-nu-Fuin, filling the forest with horror.<ref>{{S|Beren}}</ref><br />
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After [[Túrin]] was captured upon [[Amon Rûdh]] he was taken by the orcs through Taur-nu-Fuin northwards. In those woods the pursuing [[Beleg]] came upon [[Gwindor]], who told him of seeing Túrin being whipped and driven towards [[Angband]]. Together the two Elves followed the orcs out onto the baren dunes of [[Anfauglith]].<ref>{{S|Turin}}</ref><br />
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In early texts it was spelled ''Taur-n''a''-Fuin'', as seen in the excerpt from the Lay above.<br />
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| image=[[Image:John Howe - Thorondor.jpg|250px]]<br />
| name=Thorondor<br />
| othernames=[[Lord of the Eagles]]<br />
| coming=During the [[Years of the Trees]]<br />
| death=Immortal<br />
| duty=[[Manwë]]<br />
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| gender=Male<br />
| appearance= Great Eagle<br />
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'''Thorondor''' was the greatest of the [[Eagles]] of [[Manwë]] king of the [[Valar]], with a wingspan of thirty fathoms<ref>History of Middle-earth Vol. 4: The Shaping of Middle-earth (Ch. 3)</ref>, sent to watch over the [[Noldor|Ñoldor]] after they arrived in [[Beleriand]]. The [[Eldar]] first encountered him when he helped [[Fingon]] rescue [[Maedhros]] from imprisonment from [[Thangorodrim]].<ref>{{S|Return}}</ref> After that, Thorondor and the rest of the Eagles settled in the [[Crissaegrim]].<ref>{{S|Noldor}}</ref> When [[Gondolin]] was built, Thorondor became the ever vigilant guardian of the city. He rescued [[Fingolfin]]'s body from defilement after [[Morgoth]] killed him, giving the Dark Lord a scar on his face.<ref>{{S|Fingolfin}}</ref> He and two other Eagles rescued [[Beren]] and [[Lúthien]] when [[Angband]] was aroused.<ref>{{S|Beren}}</ref> When Gondolin fell, Thorondor rescued the survivors.<ref>{{S|Gondolin}}</ref> During the [[War of Wrath]], Thorondor and [[Eärendil]] led the Eagles in battle with the [[Dragons]], and may have fought with [[Ancalagon]] the Black.<ref>{{S|Earendil}}</ref> In Tolkien's writings, Thorondor is not mentioned after the War of Wrath. It is believed he returned to [[Valinor]], although his descendants remained behind.<br />
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{{familytree|GRE| | GWA| |LAN| | |GRE=[[Great Eagle]]|GWA=[[Gwaihir]]|LAN=[[Landroval]]}}<br />
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==Etymology==<br />
The name contains ''[[thoron]]'' "eagle" and ''[[taur|taur, -dor]]'' "king". The [[Quenya]] cognate is ''[[Sorontar]]'' ([[Vanyarin|earlier]] ''Thorontar'').<br />
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In earlier versions of the legendarium he was called '''Thorndor''' or '''Thorntor''' ([[Ilkorin]]).<br />
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==See also==<br />
* [[:Category:Images of Thorondor|Images of Thorondor]]<br />
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