https://tolkiengateway.net/w/api.php?hidebots=1&urlversion=1&days=7&limit=50&target=1966&action=feedrecentchanges&feedformat=atomTolkien Gateway - Changes related to "1966" [en]2024-03-19T04:11:06ZRelated changesMediaWiki 1.39.3https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Letter_283a&diff=388155&oldid=388154Letter 283a2024-03-18T18:31:16Z<p><a href="/wiki/Category:Letters_to_Dick_Plotz" title="Category:Letters to Dick Plotz">Category:Letters to Dick Plotz</a></p>
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</table>Éowynhttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Letter_283a&diff=388154&oldid=0Letter 283a2024-03-18T18:30:55Z<p>Created page with "{{letter infobox | #=283a | to=<a href="/wiki/Dick_Plotz" title="Dick Plotz">Dick Plotz</a> | date=12 January 1966 | subject=<a href="/wiki/Quenya" title="Quenya">Quenya</a> translation }} {{Letter|283a}} ==Summary== The correct translation of 'May the <a href="/wiki/Silmarils" title="Silmarils">Silmarilli</a> ever light on your path' is ''Nai silmarilli oie siluvar tielyanna'', though this phrase would never be said because the light of only one Silmaril is still visible."</p>
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The correct translation of 'May the [[Silmarils|Silmarilli]] ever light on your path' is ''Nai silmarilli oie siluvar tielyanna'', though this phrase would never be said because the light of only one Silmaril is still visible.</div>Éowynhttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Celeborn&diff=387775&oldid=382357Celeborn2024-03-17T16:30:49Z<p>removed extra 'the' x3, added ref and removed {{sources}}, italicized book titles, <nowiki> to stop '' in sentence from italicizing rest of sentence</p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>In a table with the descendants of Thingol from December 1959 Thingol's younger brother [[Elmo]] has a son [[Galadhon]] who has two sons, Celeborn and [[Galathil]], and a daughter, [[Nimloth of Doriath|Nimloth]], who married King [[Dior]]. However, on the same table Nimloth also appears as the daughter of Galathil. It looks as if <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"> </del>the second thought of [[J.R.R. Tolkien]] was that Nimloth was the daughter of Galathil and the niece of Celeborn.<ref>{{WJ|Years}}, stage 'D', p. 257</ref> The genealogy according to this second thought was included in [[Unfinished Tales]].<ref>{{UT|Galadriel}}, last paragraph before the section Concerning Galadriel and Celeborn, p. 233</ref> According to that table, Celeborn is thus the greatnephew of Thingol and second cousin of Galadriel.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>In a table with the descendants of Thingol from December 1959 Thingol's younger brother [[Elmo]] has a son [[Galadhon]] who has two sons, Celeborn and [[Galathil]], and a daughter, [[Nimloth of Doriath|Nimloth]], who married King [[Dior]]. However, on the same table Nimloth also appears as the daughter of Galathil. It looks as if the second thought of [[J.R.R. Tolkien]] was that Nimloth was the daughter of Galathil and the niece of Celeborn.<ref>{{WJ|Years}}, stage 'D', p. 257</ref> The genealogy according to this second thought was included in [[Unfinished Tales]].<ref>{{UT|Galadriel}}, last paragraph before the section Concerning Galadriel and Celeborn, p. 233</ref> According to that table, Celeborn is thus the greatnephew of Thingol and second cousin of Galadriel.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>{{blockquote|On the other hand, the making of Celeborn into a Telerin Elf of Aman contradicts not only statements in The Silmarillion, but also those cited already from The Road Goes Ever On and Appendix B to The Lord of the Rings”|[[Christopher Tolkien]], "[[The History of Galadriel and Celeborn]]"}}</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>{{blockquote|On the other hand, the making of Celeborn into a Telerin Elf of Aman contradicts not only statements in <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''</ins>The Silmarillion<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''</ins>, but also those cited already from The Road Goes Ever On and Appendix B to The Lord of the Rings”|[[Christopher Tolkien]], "[[The History of Galadriel and Celeborn]]"}}</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Celeborn as a Telerin prince seems a late development. This altered origin was not adopted into the published ''[[Silmarillion]]'', primarily because it contradicted published [[canon]], and was not incorporated in Tolkien's drafts of the earlier parts, and therefore would have necessitated a major rewrite by [[Christopher Tolkien]] and [[Guy Gavriel Kay]] to account for a separate departure of Galadriel. It is unknown whether Tolkien would have revised the story or would have felt bound by published writings.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Celeborn as a Telerin prince seems a late development. This altered origin was not adopted into the published ''[[Silmarillion]]'', primarily because it contradicted published [[canon]], and was not incorporated in Tolkien's drafts of the earlier parts, and therefore would have necessitated a major rewrite by [[Christopher Tolkien]] and [[Guy Gavriel Kay]] to account for a separate departure of Galadriel. It is unknown whether Tolkien would have revised the story or would have felt bound by published writings.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Celeborn's Telerin ancestry would have made the couple first cousins. ''[[Morgoth's Ring]]'' states that among the [[Eldar]] first cousins might marry, but seldom did so or desired to do so.<ref>{{MR|Laws}}</ref> Furthermore, the published Silmarillion states "Eldar wedded not with kin so near," in reference to [[Maeglin]]'s attraction to his first cousin [[Idril]].<ref>{{S|Maeglin}}</ref></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Celeborn's Telerin ancestry would have made the couple first cousins. ''[[Morgoth's Ring]]'' states that among the [[Eldar]] first cousins might marry, but seldom did so or desired to do so.<ref>{{MR|Laws}}</ref> Furthermore, the published <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''</ins>Silmarillion<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'' </ins>states "Eldar wedded not with kin so near," in reference to [[Maeglin]]'s attraction to his first cousin [[Idril]].<ref>{{S|Maeglin}}</ref></div></td></tr>
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</table>Éowynhttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=1969&diff=387689&oldid=38388519692024-03-16T22:40:04Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">?: </span> There is no letter 310a</span></p>
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</table>Éowynhttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=John_Garth&diff=387650&oldid=380453John Garth2024-03-14T17:49:33Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Bibliography</span></span></p>
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