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I believe that I pretty much cleaned it up and provided references and disclosed which statements are speculations and what those speculations are based on. There is much more detail about the places in MERP Southern Gondor - The Land that could be added in that section about that MERP Module. --[[User:Akhorahil|Akhorahil]] 16:12, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
 
I believe that I pretty much cleaned it up and provided references and disclosed which statements are speculations and what those speculations are based on. There is much more detail about the places in MERP Southern Gondor - The Land that could be added in that section about that MERP Module. --[[User:Akhorahil|Akhorahil]] 16:12, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
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:This article needs less MERP, not more. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 14:44, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

Revision as of 14:44, 4 October 2020

The statement about the rivers Poros and Harnen being the borders of South Gondor is a speculation. Tolkien does not mention its borders. It should be clearly phrased as merely a possibility.

The statement about the climate is a speculation. Karen Wynn Fonstad speculates based on statements by Tolkien about certain points in the map being at the same latitude as points in Europe and in the climate at sich a latitude in Europe at the mediterranen sea. It should be clearly phrased as merely a possibility and the basis on which the speculation is based on should be disclosed.

In the history section the first sentence that implicitly looks back from the End of the Third Age that South Gondor was historically a part of Gondor should be deleted. The chronology should Start in the past and then should move forward. It should be disclosed that South Gondor being "deserted" is a speculation and that the reason why it was deserted (due to wars) is a speculation. Tolkien wrote that it was an"desert land". He did not write that it was a "desert".The fact that "desert land" means deserted land is a possibility based on the translations of "desert land" in the german and durch translations of The Lord of the Rings and the fact that Tolkien knew both of those languages and that he checked the translations Ingo those two languages and that the presence of an ocean, a mountain range and the two rivers Poros and Harnen and based on Tolkiens statements of places being t the same latitude as places in Europe near the Mediterranen sea makes it unlikely that Harondor was a desert. It should be disclosed that it is not explicitly written that Haud-in-Gwanȗr was in Harondor, but that a card in MECCG for Haud-in-Gwanȗr merely had Harondor dritten on it and that MECCG was made by the same company that made MERP and that the maps for MERP and MERP Southern Gondor - The Land state that it was in the northern shore of the river Poros (and thus probably in Ithilien). Apppendix A discloses that Folcred and Fastred died in the battle on the northern shore of the river Poros. It is unlikely that their bodies were Transportes to the other side of the river to be buried on the southern shore of the river Poros (a possible border). Akhorahil 09:56, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

I believe that I pretty much cleaned it up and provided references and disclosed which statements are speculations and what those speculations are based on. There is much more detail about the places in MERP Southern Gondor - The Land that could be added in that section about that MERP Module. --Akhorahil 16:12, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

This article needs less MERP, not more. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 14:44, 4 October 2020 (UTC)