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Latest comment: 15 November 2014 by Mith
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:Was this letter to Plotz published in its entirety?--[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 21:26, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
:Was this letter to Plotz published in its entirety?--[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 21:26, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
::I have a different view. I actually think we should stop referencing Foster. Going through the First Age years he has ''loads'' of mistakes. We reference Foster as if he's a primary source and he's not. I would use Foster just to find references to other things, but I would stop all referencing Foster directly. As a teenager I used Foster before I realised there were better places to get the info (like here!)
::I would agree with you that "The Authorities" are not the Valar. How on earth would hobbits know that the Valar had thought about the riddle-game and discussed the legitimacy of the final question? --{{User:Mith/sig}} 00:53, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

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I'd like to say that the context of that phrase seemed to refer rather to the historians and the loremasters who studied the Red Book as "Authorities". I was surprised to read that the Prologue meant the Valar. Sage 18:31, 14 November 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Also, I'd like to note the following: Foster's entry provides the reference Z 9/12/65. In the list of references, Z refers to information by Dick Plotz and the numbers are obviously one of the dates 12 September 1965 or 9 December 1965. It's surprising that 12 September 1965 is the exact date of Tolkien's Letter 276 to Dick Plotz. I looked to see whether the text of the letter makes any reference to the Valar or the Riddle Game, but there is nothing about it!! Sage 18:58, 14 November 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Was this letter to Plotz published in its entirety?--Morgan 21:26, 14 November 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I have a different view. I actually think we should stop referencing Foster. Going through the First Age years he has loads of mistakes. We reference Foster as if he's a primary source and he's not. I would use Foster just to find references to other things, but I would stop all referencing Foster directly. As a teenager I used Foster before I realised there were better places to get the info (like here!)
I would agree with you that "The Authorities" are not the Valar. How on earth would hobbits know that the Valar had thought about the riddle-game and discussed the legitimacy of the final question? --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 00:53, 15 November 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]