Talk:Eriador
This article could really use some work. --Dwarf Lord 00:30, 22 October 2006 (CDT)
Boundaries
Further to Dwarf Lord's comment some time ago, I intend to work on this article, but can I just check something with other people.
- "Eriador was of old the name of all the lands between the Misty Mountains and the Blue; in the South it was bounded by the Greyflood and the Glanduin that flows into it above Tharbad."
- ― Appendix A, Part I (iii) "Eriador, Arnor and the Heirs of Isildur"
By my reckoning, therefore, contrary to what the article states, the Enedwaith and the Dunlendings are not in Eriador. Does anyone agree/disagree? --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 10:08, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
- I agree. We can't get a more specific source than that. -- Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 11:00, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
VT Ref
I'll get you the etymology VT ref this afternoon, Mith. (I'm at a university computer now). -- Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 07:39, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks Ederchil! Unfortunately I don't have any VTs (it's on my to-do list - I'll probably buy the lot when 50 comes out), but I knew there was a reference in 42 from Wikipedia's talk page and the VT Index. —Unsigned comment by Mith (talk • contribs).
- Okay. The VT one is complicated. It's a note (unnamed, dated 1949-53), quoted by Hostetter in a reply to a letter by Fredrink Ström from Uppsala. Ström muses on Eriador and the Lone-lands in The Hobbit being one and the same. It's a note dealing with -dor and the disappearance of -n-. On the linguistic timetable, it can be placed near the end of Noldorin. Part of the note reads:
- "eryā 'isolated, lonely', Eriador = 'wilderness'."
- Okay. The VT one is complicated. It's a note (unnamed, dated 1949-53), quoted by Hostetter in a reply to a letter by Fredrink Ström from Uppsala. Ström muses on Eriador and the Lone-lands in The Hobbit being one and the same. It's a note dealing with -dor and the disappearance of -n-. On the linguistic timetable, it can be placed near the end of Noldorin. Part of the note reads:
- The title of this section is "Letters to VT", page 4.
- Another etymology is found in PE 17:
- "= Lonely Land. *eryā (S eir, air)."
- This is identified by Christopher Gilson as a ballpoint addition. The reference would be
- J.R.R. Tolkien, "Words, Phrases and Passages in The Lord of the Rings" (edited by Christopher Gilson), published in Parma Eldalamberon 17 (July 2007), p. 28.
- Thanks! - I just needed a proper reference for that. There's quite a bit there to think about now. I have, myself, been toying with whether Lone-lands and Eriador are one and the same. Unfortunately not even my Annotated can help with that one - it's a very ambiguous quote, "Now they had gone far into the Lone-lands, where there were no people left, no inns, and the roads grew steadily worse." (Roast Mutton) What's your thinking on it? Would be saying they are the same count as bias editing? --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 12:00, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
- Actually "our" (as in "Encyclopedia of Arda"'s) article on Lone-lands says yes. I certainly think so, but I don't think we should present it as fact. Similarly, Tolkien translated Rhudaur as "troll shaws" (also PE17), does that mean the Trollshaws are Rhudaur? -- Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 12:06, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
- (Slowly the EOA articles are getting weeded out.) Hmm, I take your point on that, I wouldn't personally consider all of Rhudaur as Trollshaws (to me the Trollshaws are a forest between the Hoarwell and the Loudwater. I think I'll follow your lead and do similar to what you've written on Rhudaur - at least it's consistent! --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 12:51, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
Pronunciation
File:Eriador.mp3 I'd like to add this pronunciation to this article. Grond 15:20, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
- There's already a pronounce on the article, and I can't really hear the difference. But correct me if I'm wrong. -- Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 15:50, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
Geography
Wikipedia's article says, "Eriador extended for some 600 miles north-south and 700 miles west-east." I've used three different copies of the map, and I reckon:
- East-West: 665-680 miles (as reckoned in a straight line just above Rivendell, as the widest point, I reckon);
- North-South: 685-700 miles (as reckoned from the bottom of Minhiriath to the the upper-most edge of the hills to the west of the Mountains of Angmar - in line with the the northernmost source of the Lune);
- Northeast-southwest: 730-745 miles (from around Mount Gundabad to the bottom of Eryn Vorn);
- Northwest-southeast: 740-755 miles (from the corner of the Blue Mountains at the same lattitude as Himring to the source of the Glanduin).
See this image (Imageshack has made it grainy). Can anyone corroborate these figures? --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 13:32, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
Recent work
Excellent job, Mith! This article will have my vote for a new Featured Article! --Morgan 23:33, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
- You're welcome! :P -- KingAragorn talk contribs edits email 19:34, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
“Temperature”?
In the Geography section it says, "Eriador was a large, inhabited temperature region" - should that word be "temperate"? Feel free to delete this if it does not apply. NativeSonKY 02:48, 12 June 2011 (UTC)