Talk:Ilúvatar

I'm curious about something that probably should be placed in this article. Is Ilúvatar pronounced ILÚ-vatar or il-Ú-vat-ar? I had always pronounced it like the latter, but in the Silmarillion audiobook it was given as the former. --Narfil Palùrfalas 13:49, 7 August 2006 (EDT)

I've always been terrible with pronunciations but I believe I would say ILÚ-vatar. It seems Ardamir's mp3 had been moved to Eru but it is now back at Ilúvatar to help clarify. --Hyarion 00:53, 8 August 2006 (EDT)

Move

Well, following our current "one concept=one article", perhaps we should move this to Eru?--Morgan 16:37, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

I follow your drift, and we certainly should not have have two articles for the same concept. However, I'm not certain whether the article should called "Eru" or "Ilúvatar". Which is more appropriate?-- KingAragorn  talk  contribs  edits  email  16:46, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Kind of a tough choice: The Silmarillion index gives them roughly the same importance: no name is redirected to the other. I guess we a couple of options:

• Frequency - which name appears most often?
• Notoriety - a bit subjective, but perhaps "Eru" (being simpler and easier to spell) would win here.
• Canonicity - do both names appear in The Lord of the Rings? --Morgan 16:54, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

I think we should go for the frequency. Being simpler and easier to spell doesn't favour "Eru", in my opinion. And neither "Eru" nor "Ilúvatar" appear in The Lord of the Rings. However, "Eru" appears 27 times in the main body of text in The Silmarillion, meanwhile "Ilúvatar" appears 90 times. I think, therefore, that the article should be called Ilúvatar.-- KingAragorn  talk  contribs  edits  email  17:22, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

For my part, I definitely prefer Ilúvatar over Eru as that's the more commonly-used, but I have no evidence to back this up. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 18:16, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Melkor/Manwë Source

It is stated in the Ainulindalë (Silmarillion, p. 10) thus: "But Manwë was the brother of Melkor in the mind of Ilúvatar..." as well as in the Valaquenta (Silmarillion, p. 16) thus: "Manwë and Melkor were brethren in the thought of Ilúvatar." 50.240.18.65 01:27, 26 March 2014 (UTC)