Talk:Misty Mountains

Passes over the Misty Mountains

I have added the possibility of a minor pass north of the High Pass. This can be inferred by this passage from The Fellowship of the Ring's prologue ('Concerning Hobbits'):

"The Fallohides, the least numerous, were a northerly branch ... They crossed the mountains north of Rivendell and came down the River Hoarwell."

If they came down the Mitheithel, it appears reasonable to deduce that a pass must have existed near the source of that river.--Gigoachef 17:05, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Speculation. --Ederchil ^{(Talk/Contribs/Edits)} 17:15, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

I suggest a different wording: "The Fallohides crossed the mountains north of Rivendell... Whether they used one of those passes or another one it is not known." Sage 20:01, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Indeed it is speculation, as it was immediately clear from my use of the adverb 'possibly'. Unfortunately, the wording Sage proposes doesn't make much sense as Tolkien states clearly that the Fallohides crossed the mountains "north of Rivendell". So, since all the other known passes are south of Rivendell, the corollary is the existence of an insofar unnamed fourth pass somewhere between the High Pass and Mount Gundabad. My speculation is therefore non only totally reasonable, but in fact essentially implicit in Tolkien's text. If you agree, I propose to restore my text with the addition of an explanatory footnote.--Gigoachef 21:43, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

Well I didn't propose the exact wording but I suggested an example for the syntax so as not to seem like the article jumps to non-canonical conclusions. Actually I think that if you simply mention that the fallohides crossed that point without mentioning the existence of a pass, would be safe enough IMHO. Sage 22:35, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

Can anyone point me to the source in the Legendarium for the existence of a pass in the mountains by the source of the Gladden River?--Gigoachef 21:47, 10 November 2012 (UTC)