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In my eyes, Gandalf should not be listed as a Ring-bearer, because he only touched the ring with a forceps, that means Boromir and Gimli shall also become listed although Boromir rather touched the ring by its chain only (see also a comment above) and Gimli touched it with his axe, it might get ridiculous. So either we make up a new paragraph "portrayal in adaptions" where Boromir and Gimli are listed (like this, it would be similar to the german Ardapedia), or we delete Gandalf from the list. --[[User:TarElessar|TarElessar]] 06:02, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
In my eyes, Gandalf should not be listed as a Ring-bearer, because he only touched the ring with a forceps, that means Boromir and Gimli shall also become listed although Boromir rather touched the ring by its chain only (see also a comment above) and Gimli touched it with his axe, it might get ridiculous. So either we make up a new paragraph "portrayal in adaptions" where Boromir and Gimli are listed (like this, it would be similar to the german Ardapedia), or we delete Gandalf from the list. --[[User:TarElessar|TarElessar]] 06:02, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
:TarElessar, Tolkien Gateway is about Tolkien's works, not the films. Even if you remember details from the films, they don't necessarily follow the books. Here it is the books that are treated like absolute truth. When you are adding something to the wiki, you must check it in the books first, unless you are sure you remember right that you read it in them. In the first film Gandalf ''never'' touched the Ring, but this doesn't matter at all, as in the book he did hold the Ring: "He unfastened it and handed it slowly to the wizard. It felt suddenly very heavy, as if either it or Frodo himself was in some way reluctant for Gandalf to touch it. Gandalf held it up. It looked to be made of pure and solid gold." It is clear that Gandalf is one of the very few individuals who ever touched the Ring, even if it was for a few moments. In the book, Gandalf does not have terriying visions when approaching his fingers to the Ring, as happens in the film. It doesn't matter if he did otherwise in the films or some video game. [[User:Sage|Sage]] 06:43, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

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Bearer

I think we should define a 'ring-bearer' as someone who actually wore the ring. This would see Déagol removed from the list.-- KingAragorn  talk  contribs  edits  email  10:42, 1 February 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Actually having held the Ring is sufficient enough. Otherwise, Sam would be excluded from this list as well.--BalrogTrainer 05:35, 1 September 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Sam wore the Ring for a day - he got into Cirith Ungol by wearing the Ring. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 10:43, 1 September 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
+1-- KingAragorn  talk  contribs  edits  email  16:10, 1 September 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Gimli

Gimli did not try to destroy the Ring in the book. Notwithstanding that, it would not make it worthy of this list. Do not add Gimli to this article again. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 17:43, 31 August 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

By this logic, shouldn't Boromir also be removed? He merely held the chain to which it was attached. Plus, I don't think he did it in the book anyway.--BalrogTrainer 05:35, 1 September 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yes. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 10:42, 1 September 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
+1 Smog 12:10, 1 September 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Portrayal in adaptions

In my eyes, Gandalf should not be listed as a Ring-bearer, because he only touched the ring with a forceps, that means Boromir and Gimli shall also become listed although Boromir rather touched the ring by its chain only (see also a comment above) and Gimli touched it with his axe, it might get ridiculous. So either we make up a new paragraph "portrayal in adaptions" where Boromir and Gimli are listed (like this, it would be similar to the german Ardapedia), or we delete Gandalf from the list. --TarElessar 06:02, 2 September 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

TarElessar, Tolkien Gateway is about Tolkien's works, not the films. Even if you remember details from the films, they don't necessarily follow the books. Here it is the books that are treated like absolute truth. When you are adding something to the wiki, you must check it in the books first, unless you are sure you remember right that you read it in them. In the first film Gandalf never touched the Ring, but this doesn't matter at all, as in the book he did hold the Ring: "He unfastened it and handed it slowly to the wizard. It felt suddenly very heavy, as if either it or Frodo himself was in some way reluctant for Gandalf to touch it. Gandalf held it up. It looked to be made of pure and solid gold." It is clear that Gandalf is one of the very few individuals who ever touched the Ring, even if it was for a few moments. In the book, Gandalf does not have terriying visions when approaching his fingers to the Ring, as happens in the film. It doesn't matter if he did otherwise in the films or some video game. Sage 06:43, 2 September 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]