Talk:War of the Dwarves and Dragons

Is this actually a thing? --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 08:02, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

It's described as a war in App A, but it should have the Unnamed template (as added now by Sage).--Morgan 08:29, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Where does it call it a proper war? Because I can only find two dates of when dwarves began to be troubled by dragons and when they moved away. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 08:49, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Section "Durin's Folk", a couple of paragraphs in.--Morgan 09:49, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Is the text clear about the War's timeframe? Is Scatha mentioned in context of the war? If yes, should we readd him in the article, and extent the timeframe back to TA 2000 (since it's the approximate date of Scatha's death)? Sage 10:30, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

From what I can see the text doesn't mention Scatha in the context of this war.--Morgan 10:39, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Appropriate name?

First off, this name is obviously a snowclone of "War of the Dwarves and Orcs". Second, there's not much to indicate that this is a war, as much as it's simply a period of very similar conflicts happening within a certain time-frame.

Wouldn't a more appropriate title for this article be "Dragon invasion of the Grey Mountains" or "Re-Awakening of the Dragons"? EldritchNexus 14:14, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

I was a sceptic (see the above conversation), but the quote in Appendix A states: "But there were dragons in the wastes beyond; and after many years they became strong again and multiplied, and they made war on the Dwarves, and plundered their works.". So I don't agree with changing the name (if I were to change it to anything I'd drop "the"). --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 18:41, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Well, the name is still an uninspired rehash of "War of the Dwarves and Orcs". Why not the "Dwarven-Dragon War" or something like that? EldritchNexus 19:43, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Not only is there the "War of the Dwarves and Orcs", but also the "War of the Elves and Sauron", so the name "War of the Dwarves and Dragons" is consistent with Tolkien's terminology. Furthermore, I don't have a problem with an "uninspired rehash" if it means people can easily find the article. I'm not sure how your suggestion would improve the situation, as people are more likely to search for "dwarves" than "dwarven" (our software currently doesn't give suggestions for similarly-named articles). Why do you think we need to change the article's name? --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 22:40, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

But "War of the Dwarves and Dragons" isn't the canon name for this conflict, and it's literally just "The War of the Dwarves and Orcs", except "Orcs" is replaced with "Dragons". This is basically what people try to do to make something fit in by giving it a variation of an already-existing name instead of simply trying to make it sound unique. Just because there have been a couple instances of "The War of X and Y" in the legendarium doesn't mean that every war is going to be named that way, or we'd be calling the "Battle of Greenfields" the "Battle of the Orcs and Bullroarer Took", or "War of the Ring" the "War of the Free Peoples and Mordor and its Allies", or the Kin-strife the "War of one part of Gondor and another part of Gondor".

Please, just change this uninspired copycat, and totally NON-CANON name to something else. ANYTHING ELSE. Not once is it ever called "The War of the Dwarves and Dragons" in the Legendarium, so why should we insist on calling it that here?". EldritchNexus 01:21, 13 October 2015 (UTC)