Talk:Days before days

Is the use of "Ringil" correct here? The link from Ringil shows this as the name of Fingolfin's sword (which is correct), but there is no reference to the use of this term as the name for a tower of a Lamp. Which entry requires revision - the Years of the Lamps entry to correct "Ringil" or the revision of the "Ringil" entry to add this second (and earlier) use of the name? Plant doc 08:57, 8 September 2007 (EDT)

The Encyclopedia of Arda mentions in its article on the Inland Sea of Helcar in a footnote "Interestingly, though it isn't mentioned in The Silmarillion, there seems to have been a corresponding southern sea, the Sea of Ringil, which was perhaps associated with the roots of Illuin's mate Ormal." A source for this information isn't given, though. ~ Earendilyon 17:45, 8 September 2007 (EDT)

Canonicity of term

Can anyone give a reference to a primary source using the actual term 'Years of the Lamps'? I can't find it being used in HoMe, so I'm suspecting it is non-canon, maybe invented by David Day.

This is not to say that the concept is non-canon, certainly not. Just that this does not seem to be the term that Tolkien uses for it. His term seems to be "Days before days" [AAm:10]. -- Mithrennaith 21:11, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

I heard about this issue, and like others I could not find any reference to 'Years of the Lamps' in Tolkien's works. "Days before days" indeed is the canonical term, and since nobody here has disagreed with this point since 2008, it seems proper to change the term in this article and elsewhere. Fellun 13:16, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

I too saw a certain comment on Reddit (that didn't canvas or anything like that) and came here to see the issue. I do support the move though, it's a canonicity vs familiarity issue, but I think canonicity wins in this case. Unfortunately only autoconfirmed users can move pages, and alas, I've done all my editing anonymously up until this point. Brightgalrs 17:26, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Here, I'll do this properly. And make a new section. Brightgalrs 17:36, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Requested move

As "Years of the Lamps" seems to be a fan created term, I propose that the article be moved to Days before days. The first sentence of the article should also be changed to (something like):

The Days before days (also known as the Years of the Lamps) began shortly after the creation of Arda by the Valar.

Oh and a redirect should be left after the move, so Years of the Lamps redirects to Days before days. Brightgalrs 17:36, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

If the term isn't actually in Tolkien works, I think the article shouldn't me moved but merged with Spring of Arda (basically, delete it). --LorenzoCB 17:39, 24 February 2021 (UTC)