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== Discussion ==


== Spam ==
Hello.I would like to discuss about something [[Talk:Battle of Fornost|here]].


I don't know if you or Morgan already contacted Hyarion, but I've just emailed him about today's spam influx.--{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 17:23, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
== Discussions ==
Let's talk about it [[Talk:Quest of Erebor|here]], [[Talk:Arnor|here]] and [[User talk:2.86.255.128|here]].{{unsignedanon| 2.86.255.128}}


:I completely forgot to do that. I was too busy having flashbacks to a couple of years back. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 17:32, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
I would like to be discussed something generally.Read [[User talk:2.86.255.128#Tolkien Gateway and The Hobbit film|here]].{{unsignedanon| 2.86.255.128}}


::Thanks for all your effort to undo the mess guys, and thanks for the e-mail KA. For the time being I've just shut off new account creation until we implement a stricter process. Although I'm having a hard time thinking of something stricter, manual approval wouldn't even work since it would be sometimes difficult to differentiate solely based on the username. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 17:44, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
It should be mentioned in any way that  Ravenhill was the place of the final duel between Thorin and Azog in the films. {{unsignedanon| 2.86.255.128}}


:::You may be aware that I am pretty much computer-less at the moment (temporarily boring a PC right now). The way to fix this, Hyarion, is to change the CAPTCHA questions in LocalSettings.php. That will stop them until they figure out an answer. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 10:54, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
:It should be mentioned in a way that resembles English. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 18:36, 4 January 2017 (UTC)


== List of Book that inspired Tolkien ==
Why don't you put in your own way? I mean you can write it in your own way (the fact that in Ravendill happened the final confrontation between Thorin and Azog). {{unsignedanon| 2.86.255.128}}


It is difficult to put link sources when I just created the page and was  begining to edit including informations, and you delete the page... Be more pacient. Otherwise it will be hard to help this wiki. {{unsigned|Sigurd }}


:I've done that for roughly 80% of what you've added so far. Please improve your English. This is not optional. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 19:43, 4 January 2017 (UTC)


:Couple of things:
== Complaint and Discussions ==
* Add new messages at the ''bottom'' of the talk page. They go in chronological order from old to new.
* The entire concept is vague. "Books that inspired Tolkien"? Inspired him on what? To write a book? To become a philologist? To write an alternate mythology for England? To write a specific element?
* As I said, sources. The only source you list is a summary of his personal library, without explaining how this book being in his library inspired him. Unless you have a specific sources that explicitly says Book X inspired him to do action Y, it's just speculation.
* No content other than a list. The introduction is essentially "Books that have inspired Tolkien are books that have inspired Tolkien".
* Basic layout and spelling. That's something that you should do before saving the page.
:As this is a vague and slippery slope (just as our existing train wreck [[Inspirations]] is), it adds nothing at the moment. Without addressing all these points (apart from the first, naturally), I see no point in having it. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 13:38, 1 March 2014 (UTC)


:Couple of things:
Fool.Why did you do that? After all I have done? After all the editings that I have done in Tolkien Gateway;Is this the way you thank me? By blogging me; Is this how you thank the others for their contribitions here? By blogging them? Congratulations.Congratulations.You should be given an award for that.This is the way you thank the others.By blogging them.Right?You are an asshole.If the only thing you know what to do is blogging them and not discussing with them, then do it again. OK? Well done.--[[User talk:2.86.255.128|2.86.255.128]] 20:25, 05 January 2017 (UTC)
* Whatever. If you see the message works.
*  To put links, sources and more informations need time to included.
* I was working in that page and adding all informations. But is Impossible to do this when someone came and deleted the page... minutes after I began to write.
* So I think you have to whait some time before going to deleted a page. That is not the first time that you dont have paciense.{{unsigned|Sigurd}}


::While you're putting the page together you can use [[User:Sigurd/Sandbox|a sandbox in your user area]].--{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 16:37, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
:Blogging is writing a weblog. What I did was blocking you. Because I've had to clean up all your edits, and you still continued. Don't you look at how I (and others) rewrite your contributions? Don't you learn from that? Don't you see what we remove all the time, what we keep and what we rewrite? --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 21:37, 5 January 2017 (UTC)


== Battle of the Five Armies ==
Next time I would like FIRST to discuss these problems with me.OK? {{unsignedanon|2.86.255.128}}


I'd just come on to change all the links - I'm glad you beat me to it! Thank you! --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 19:17, 24 April 2014 (UTC)


== Song_of_the_Lonely_Mountain (Talk_Page) ==
:I indicated your English was below par before. You make a mess, I clean it up. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 10:16, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
Why did you delete my editings on page Beorn's Hall?I am telling the truth about the filming of Beorn's Hall (where it was shot).You can check it.I am not lying. {{unsignedanon|2.86.255.128}}


Hello.<br>Please forgive me, I really made a mistake: the confusion occured.So, in this time, could you help me, where can I publish my translation? On the forum?<br>(From Pnompen)
Also, why did you delete my editings on talk page about Tauriel(I am talking about this page:[[Talk:Tauriel]])? This my opinion. OK? Can't I say my opinion about her fate now? This is just my opinion about her fate.OK? {{unsignedanon|2.86.255.128}}


:We're not really the right place for fan translations. Also, what would it help? None of us here knows Russian. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 15:45, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
:Didn't I explain enough? The English is too poor to be usable. It's not a fun thing for me to say to you, but if I don't, you'll never improve. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 18:47, 6 January 2017 (UTC)


== Copyright Violation ==
All these games that I added on Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment do exist.Why didn't you put these games on this page earlier? Before me no-one else had ever said about these games on Tolkien Gateway. You could have mentioned these games earlier on Tolkien Gateway, but you didn't.Why?  {{unsignedanon|2.86.255.128}}


May I ask why the images I uploaded are copyright violations? I personally asked the artist through deviantART. I asked through a note, so I can send you a printscreen or something. She told me that she does not mind as long as she is credited and it is not for profit. I also asked for these three specific images. --[[User:Sandy|Sandy]] 15:08, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
:I'm largely retired from active content editing. I still do clean up work, though. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 07:24, 9 January 2017 (UTC)


:I explained what you needed to add on your message wall. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 15:14, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
Why?Why are you retired from active content editing? You can still create pages on Tolkien Gateway.Don't be so pessimistic about yourself. {{unsignedanon|2.86.255.128}}


::If you mean my Discussion page nothing new has showed up. If you mean another message wall then I have no idea what it is. Sorry :( --[[User:Sandy|Sandy]] 15:28, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
== About my edit ==


:::My bad i just saw it. Thanks for the info! --[[User:Sandy|Sandy]] 15:29, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
Why did you undo my edit on the nazgul page? When you actually look at the battle of the morannon, you can actually see a wraith falling of his steed during the battle [http://cdn.roaring.earth/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Eagles-vs-Nazgul.png (A screenshot of the wraith in question)]


::::I know, I have spammed you extensively today, and I'm sorry for that. I just want to be sure that this won't happen again. So, I created the page with the permission; Am I allowed to upload them now? And if so, in the template where it says "Permission for use on Tolkien Gateway" will it be automatically linked to the page I created or do I need to do something extra? Thanks again!--[[User:Sandy|Sandy]] 15:53, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
Not complaining about anything here, just asking--[[User:LordAndSaviourSauron|LordAndSaviourSauron]] 18:42, 1 February 2017 (UTC)


:You need to add the template like you used to, but instead of DeviantArt, write Kimberly. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 16:15, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
:"They are taken out" covers the scene. Whether one was alive or dead is speculation. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 19:06, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
::Ah okay. Also tbh i wonder what would happen if one survived the destruction of the ring--[[User:LordAndSaviourSauron|LordAndSaviourSauron]] 04:19, 2 February 2017 (UTC)


== Hi ==
== Battle under the Trees ==


Sorry for trying to help with info. I wont help anymore. I dont know what you mean by "primary source".
First of all, thanks for reminding me not to capitalize under. Obviously a bit miffed you deleted it so quickly, but admittedly there was a bit of conjecture in it. I would point out that by putting 'maybe' I clearly labled my conjecture, whereas there are plenty of articles that don't, for example: 'The battle was incredibly important in the course of the War of the Ring: if Sauron's Easterling armies had beaten the Dwarves and Men of Dale, they would have been able to join up with Sauron's forces from Dol Guldur in their attacks on the Woodland Realm of Mirkwood and Lothlórien, tipping the scales in favor of Mordor.'
I don't see how saying that Thranduil's army in Mirkwood would have probably exceeded that in 2941 is much more problematic. Anyway, what I'm proposing is that I write a more basic version of the article, then submit it to you or another administrator before saving it. Frankly, the Gateway's current stuff on the War of the Ring is pretty poor, and we could really do with a few short articles on the battles. The current War template leaves out half the conflict. It's fair enough to get rid of conjecture, but I'll happily do that for you. {{unsigned|Hazad}}


= 2015 =
:I didn't delete it quickly - not as quickly as I've deleted other articles. I was busy copy editing it, fixing the sources and everything, but without all the speculation, there really wasn't much of a history section left. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 05:23, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
==Elves infobox==


: Yes, you are right about the Longbeards. After all, most of the Dwarven characters in the legendarium are Longbeards.
::Hazad: IIRC, there was a discussion about having an article about a "Battle under the Trees" a couple of years ago, ultimately reaching a consensus similar to Michael Martinez' [http://middle-earth.xenite.org/2012/10/12/what-was-the-battle-of-mirkwood/ thoughts on the subject]. Thus, if there are details missing about the battle(s) in Mirkwood, I would advise adding these to the [[Mirkwood#History|history section of Mirkwood]]. --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 06:41, 1 April 2017 (UTC)


To return to the topic...As you have no doubt already seen that I created the template for the generic Elven infobox, I think some of the characters from the legendarium should be put under that template: for example: Imin, Tata, Enel and their spouses and many other Elven characters who's nationality isn't determined by any of the writings.
OK, thanks for getting back to me. I have read that Martinez article and to be honest I think it's a bit below his usual standards, in that when Tolkien writes 'battle under the trees' he is clearly referring to Mirkwood in particular, rather than Mirkwood and Lorien. But anyhow no matter. While I'm asking, why is the War of the Elves and Sauron page protected, when it's marked as in need of expansion? (really needs to be added to, the only reference is Appendix B)


Celeborn would be a good candidate for such a template and few other major characters who have ambiguous histories...
== What did I do wrong with the Warg matriarch image? ==
[[User:Woolly Mammoth|Woolly Mammoth]] 17:08, 21 May 2015 (UTC)


:: Also, please do me a favor and delete the article "Morwë and Nurwë" considering they have no more use on the site.
No offense but i seriously have no idea what you meant with "no source" when you deleted the image
[[User:Woolly Mammoth|Woolly Mammoth]] 17:11, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
::Yeah, a generic/unclear Elf template is a good idea. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 17:11, 21 May 2015 (UTC)


==Woolly Mammoth, the Nuisance everlasting==
As for the infobox, i couldnt do much better since im on an ipad and the editing interface doesnt work that well on my ipad--[[User:LordAndSaviourSauron|LordAndSaviourSauron]] 19:47, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
:: To [[User:Ederchil]] and [[User:Mith]] - wouldn't it be much easier for you to unblock me than to constantly tidy up my "mess" - I have much to contribute to this wiki - and, as I said before, I SINCERELY apologize for any insult made to any of you, especially to [[User:Mith]]. From a more practical perspective, it would be good for you to unblock me - of course, if you do not want to clear up the mess that will be gathering in the following years - I am not a madman - I simply feel insulted by your behavior - I would like to edit this wiki - as I no doubt showed before - and it would be to your well-being (and to the well-being of this site) if I would continue editing this Wiki without any further hindrance. As for the images that I uploaded - I have proof that the permission was granted - although I have not been able to present the evidence to you - but if you unblock me I will - the visual representation of [[Tolkien]]'s works is to me, at least, an important aspect of his work. That is the reason I am hellbent on including the images, and I spend a lot of time on DevinatArt searching for Tolkien related art, and I am in good relation to other members of that community. This is all for me at the time - and I hope you will reconsider the ban.


Respectfully - Woolly Mammoth! [[User:Laurentus|Laurentus]] 20:48, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
:All images need a source category and subject categories. I deleted that one because I couldn't guess which of the three it was from. You like it? You source it. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 20:38, 26 May 2017 (UTC)


:It's "Mess" because you're doing exactly the same we told you ''repeatedly'' not to do before. You're blocked. Every time you make a new account, you're evading a block - which is also a blockable offence. You're in the penalty box. You can't just jump back on the ice after putting on a teammate's jersey.
::Oh now i get it. Guess ill reupload it tomorrow since i know where its from--[[User:LordAndSaviourSauron|LordAndSaviourSauron]] 21:01, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
:Quite frankly, your "practical perspective"... that's an insult. Not just to me (or Mith), but to pretty much every moderator on all kinds of wikis and forums, everywhere on the internet. If you don't see that, I really can't help you. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 21:08, 14 September 2015 (UTC)


::And the other two images? what was wrong with those? {{unsigned|LordAndSaviourSauron}}


== Again ME ==
I was just wondering...You are cutting the branch on which you are sitting by consistently blocking my unnumbered profiles. Tell me now...Wouldn't it be easier for you and me to simply unblock me? I have added more "canonical" information to this site than everyone here around.


Take for example [[Maedhros]] (which, according to Tolkien's latest use, should be MaeDros) - I have added information which none of your timid fellows has been wont to do.
:::Duplicates of each other, and no point to illustrate it on the article. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 16:34, 27 May 2017 (UTC)


And by [[User:Mith|Mith]]'s Pythonesque farewell of "fucking off", I wonder if you, my dear "administrators", hold any supremacy over my "uncivil" behaviour. In the end, I altogether guessed rightly that most of you are, indeed, assholes (or at least you have buried your head in it).
::::Oh, but idk if an image of how the eye appears in the hobbit would actually be pointless, since it looks quite different than what the eye looked like in LOTR.--[[User:LordAndSaviourSauron|LordAndSaviourSauron]] 20:33, 27 May 2017 (UTC)


Yours truly...dear Woolly Mammmoth ;).
:::::It looked fairly similar. If they're different, describe the differences on the relevant page. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 20:36, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
 
:Your arrogance is truly mindboggling. You were blocked. This ban evasion is also a blockable offense. No matter the quality of your edits, you won't be unblocked.
:You're sent to the penalty box. You can't put on a teammate's jersey and get back on the ice. Just because you score a lot of goals doesn't mean that's suddenly okay. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 07:59, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 
== Tim Burton article ==
 
Why was it deleted? Tim Burton actually DID work on the 1978 Lord of the Rings film. Sure, he wasn't that famous at the time, but he still did artwork for it. We've got articles for fan films, so I don't see why we couldn't have an article for someone that worked on an official adaptation, however minor the involvement was. It just seems like disrepect to ignore the humble beginnings of such a well-known filmmaker, especially since a lot of people weren't all too famous until they were involved in adapting Tolkien's work. [[User:EldritchNexus|EldritchNexus]] 15:59, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
 
:The only reason he had an article was not because he
worked on LotR, but because he did other, more famous stuff later. We wouldn't have articles on other artists on the movie either. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 16:10, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
 
::So what? We have separate articles for regional translators and for the Inklings, even the ones that probably never even LOOKED at one of Tolkien's books. We even have articles for artists that worked on the Peter Jackson movies and the other two animated films. What makes the 1978 film the exception? If the article seemed like it was just advertising Tim Burton's other stuff, then how about rewriting it so that it seemed more relevant to Tolkien instead of just deleting it? It's like throwing away a perfectly good pizza just because it had an extra topping you didn't want. [[User:EldritchNexus|EldritchNexus]] 16:15, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
 
:::I would argue it's throwing out a pizza because we're a pie shop. The problem is, there isn't much. What exactly did he work on? --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 16:34, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
::::Well, Tim Burton was uncredited for his work, but it was one of the first movies he ever worked on, so it's to be expected. He was mostly an "inbetween" artist, so I guess that means he did some miscellaneous artwork. Couldn't tell you which ones were all his, though. Also, in response to that "pie shop" analogy, I'd like to remind you that"pizza pies" are a thing.[[User:EldritchNexus|EldritchNexus]] 17:05, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
 
--> Okay, here's a compromise: Have the Tim Burton article on this site, but keep it simple, so that it doesn't delve too deeply into his post-LOTR career. Something like:
 
:"'''Tim Burton''' (born on August 25th, 1958) is an American filmmaker. He made his film debut in 1978, as an artist for [[Ralph Bakshi]]'s animated film adaptation of ''[[The Lord of the Rings (1978 film)|The Lord of the Rings]]''. He mostly worked on miscellaneous artwork as an "in-between" artist and thus largely remained uncredited for specific pieces."
 
:What do you think? [[User:EldritchNexus|EldritchNexus]] 19:49, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
 
::Not sure on the use of "miscellaneous artwork". In-between artists also needs no quotation marks, it's a normal job description - they're the people who make the animation fluid by creating the art that's in between the rougher, preliminary animation. The finishing touches. It'd be nice to know what scenes he worked on, if that could be found at all. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 20:35, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
 
::A bit of unfinished business: "The only reason he had an article was not because he worked on LotR, but because he did other, more famous stuff later." Hey. Right here. I'm the one that made the article. and I made it based on his work on the LOTR animated film. So don't you dare tell me lies. So what if we don't know exactly what he did? That doesn't his presence any less relevant.[[User:EldritchNexus|EldritchNexus]] 23:20, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
 
== Template:VT2 ==
 
What's happening with {{redlink|[[Template:VT2]]}}? Is it useful? --{{User:Mith/sig}} 12:54, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
 
:I'm not sure what my intentions with it were, but it looks like Template:VT covers the same things, so we can probably do without. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 12:57, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
 
::Done. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 13:17, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
 
== Vunasti Mamut ==
 
Hello! Ederchil! Despite all my mistakes and insults...I truly regret that...Listen up! T is my favorite badass vilaine! I have spent a shitload of time trying to escape from the inevitable killing machine
 
== Explanation ==
 
Do you think I am a liar(that I am lying to you) or I make some kind of a joke about Bolg? In '''One Wiki to Rule Them All''' wiki  and in Wikipedia pages about Bolg and the Hobbit film trilogy it is never said that Bolg participated in the Battle of Azanulbizar.Moreover, in the One Wiki to Rule Them All wiki about Unamed Orc Brute it is said that Bolg and this Unamed Orc Brute are separate characters.Also you can check it and in Bolg page on IMDB. So that is why I am asking you to change the page on [[The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey]] about Bolg.See: Cast
 
You believe me that I am not liar or I that this is not some kind of joke? {{Unsigned|2.86.255.196}}
 
:You're neither a liar nor a joker. You're simply incorrect. Those three sources you list are, like us, third party sources. We included sources that he was initially cast as Azog, before being recast as Bolg. I'd have to check, but BalrogTrainer mentions he appears in the credits as Bolg. Nowhere was he credited as Gundabad Orc or Unnamed Orc Brute. You're removed two primary sources, and offered none in return. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 11:33, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
 
Am I disturbing you?BalrogTrainer is right. If you see at the end credits of the First Hobbit film you will find that Conan Stevens is credited as Bolg.This is wrong because  in the next two movies Conan Stevens is not credited as Bolg. This mistake the filmmakers should see and fix it.Why didnt they fix it? Do you know any way to contact with the filmakers in order to mention this mistake and correct it? Or anyone else WHO knows about these matters? {{Unsigned|2.86.255.196}}
 
 
:We don't know why they changed it. But the fact remains: he was credited as Bolg (I checked it myself in the mean time). So we list him as Bolg. No reason to list him as anything else. I don't think it was ever fully explained why he was recast. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 20:22, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
 
No no no.I am asking you if you know how to contact with the filmakers of the Hobbit film trilogy in order to correct this mistake in the end credits of the First Hobbit film or if you know anyone else WHO is expert on that matters. {{Unsigned|2.86.255.196}}
 
 
:Try looking for contact details of MGM or New Line Cinema. However, it wasn't a mistake at the time the movie was released. That was still Bolg back then. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 21:42, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
 
== Peter Jackson cameo appearence in [[The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies]] ==
 
Peter Jackson appears uncredited in ''[[The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies]]''.He makes a cameo appearence at the end of the third Hobbit film in the painting of Bungo Baggins in case you dont know it.This painting can be seen in the final scene at the Bag End when Bilbo (Martin Freeman) returns home.You can check it on IMDB page about Peter Jackson and in Wikipedia page about Peter Jackson. {{unsigned|2.86.255.196}}
 
:The picture was based on Jackson's face. In fact, that was used back in LotR as well. See our page on [[Bungo Baggins]]. It shouldn't be on PJ's page as a cameo because it's not a physical cameo. Do not add it again. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 17:01, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
 
==Lady of the Star-brow==
Thank you so much!  I did not know how to make it redirect.  I appreciate that.  ^_^ Do you know how to change titles on a page?  For example, changing the [[Second Kinslaying]] to just Second Kinlaying?  --[[User:Elf-esteem|Elf-esteem]] 17:20, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
 
:There's a "move" button, but I've been an admin for so long I don't remember whether this is admin-only or for everyone. Just suggest a move on the talk page. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 18:05, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
 
== [[Talk:The Hobbit (film series)]]/Mistakes  ==
 
look what I have written in [[Talk:The Hobbit (film series)]] about some mistakes.
 
The of the page [[The Hobbit (film series)]] |the First Hobbit film]] and not about the The Hobbit film Project generally. I added the other two IMDB files about the other two movies but they dont appear on screen genrerally.That is why I have added all three IMDB files at the bottom of the page [[The Hobbit (film series)]]. Why are you insisting on that case? According to the title of the page ''The Hobbit (film series)'', that page talks about the The Hobbit film Project generally.So, that means the page is not only about the First Hobbit film.That is why I removed that IMDB file and I didnt remove the Hobbit Blog page. {{unsigned| 85.72.247.184 }}
 
:What you did didn't work because there is only one template parameter - imdb_id. imdb_id1, imdb_id2 and imdb_id3 don't exist in the template, so adding them won't change anything. A link to the first film suffices. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 18:00, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
 
Yes. I saw it and that is why I removed the IMDB file from the page [[The Hobbit (film series)]] and I didnt remove the Hobbit Blog page from there.Why are you insisting on keeping the IMDB file on [[The Hobbit (film series)]];Look at  External links of [[The Hobbit (film series)]] and see what I have added. {{unsigned| 85.72.247.184 }}
 
:The first film suffices. Do not add the others again, that doesn't work. Also, IMDb is spelled with a lower case b. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 18:28, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
 
Why are you insisting on adding in Film infobox of the page [[The Hobbit (film series)]] the IMDb file of [[The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey|the First Hobbit film]];It is not reasonable, especially since the fact the the IMDb file of the First Hobbit film alrady exists in the external links of the page [[The Hobbit (film series)]]. Moreover, the other reason is that this IMDb page in Film infobox is only about [[The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey]].That is why I inisist on the fact that this is a mistake. I would suggest you to remove the IMDB file from the Film infobox of The Hobbit (film series). {{unsigned|85.72.247.184}}
 
:It's not a mistake. It's fine as it is now. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 18:51, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
 
You make a great mistake by keeping this file on infobox of the page, for the reasons that I told you. Moreover,someone else has made another mistakes on the same page.In Content '''See also''' of the same page someone has added all The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey tie-in books.I mean these books are mentioned in that content  WHO has added these books and Why;What is the point. These books are also mentioned in the page [[The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey]] and are related only to the First film and not to the Hobbit film project generally.Why doesnt someone remove these tie-in books from that content;It is not reasonable to exist, since that pages is about for the Hobbit film Project '''generally'''.
 
Won't you say something about it;Won't you say your opinion;
 
= 2016 =
== Spam Bots ==
 
Hope everything is going great with you Ederchil! Thanks for blocking those spam bots; just wanted to give you a heads up I changed the new user security questions so hopefully the account creations will subside. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 16:50, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
 
:Not much effort. We've had worse. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 17:22, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
 
== Explanation ==
 
Thank you.Because Tolien Gateway mentions the Awards that were won by the people who worked for the  [[The Lord of the Rings  (film series) ]] , why shouldnt I do the same the thing for the people who worked for [[The Hobbit  (film series)]];
 
:No need to explain - that's indeed necessary. We just completely forgot. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 18:12, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
 
== Mistake  ==
 
Mike Mizrahi played Thrain in flasback scene in the [[The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug (extended edition)|Extended Edition]] of ''[[The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug]]''.Specifically he portrayed him in [[The Battle of Azanulbizar]].[[Thomas Robins]] played him in the theatrical version.Specifically he portrayed him in Erebor scene (befor the attack of smaug in Erebor) in ''[[The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey]]''. {{unsigned|85.72.212.188}}
 
:It might not be wrong, but that was not the reason for reverting it. You added the names without updating the source. That source does not say three people played Thrain. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 18:17, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
 
== Explanation ==
Here there is  category called <<Category:The Lord of the Rings (film series) cast>>.Why doesn't exist a similar category for the Hobbit film series this time; {{unsigned|85.72.212.188}}
 
:Sign your posts. Also, something that big requires discussion. As you can see, that category hasn't been touched in years, is woefully incomplete, and lacks companion categories (not just The Hobbit, also the previous movies, games, radio plays). --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 21:45, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
 
Then why there is the category called '''Category:The Lord of the Rings (film series) cast''' in Tolkien Gateway;
:SIGN. YOUR. POSTS.
:I asked a very similar question. Not why does it exist, but why should it exist? --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 01:58, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
 
i have a question. Then why does the '''Category:The Lord of the Rings (film series) cast''' exist;For the same reason this category exist, this new categories that I suggested should be added.--[[User talk:85.72.212.188|85.72.212.188]] 16:42, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
 
:It exists because it was created, but never filled, and then abandoned. I asked a counter-question - why should that old category exist? If we were to have this for LotR and the Hobbit, we should have this for every last adaptation - and that is overkill. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 15:09, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
 
:Then you have to delete this category(the '''Category:The Lord of the Rings (film series) cast''' ), but I dont think this is a bad idea.The opposite one.It's a good idea.For this reason I suggest to be created s similar category, but for the hobbit film series this time.--[[User talk:85.72.212.188|85.72.212.188]] 17:42, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
 
:My point is: if we have one for the Hobbit movies (and LotR), we need one for EVERY adaptation, otherwise it's random. And we're not having that. So yeah, I'll probably get rid of that cat soon. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 16:32, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
 
:I didn't say for every adaption of Middle Earth.I talked about only film adaptions.It doesnt matter the kind of adaptions (if these adaptions are animated or live action or if these adaptions  are for television-tv movies or tv series-or for cinema).Did you understand what I am saying; {{unsigned|85.72.212.188}}
::Did you understand what I was saying? Apparently not. a) SIGN YOUR POSTS. b) I didn't say you suggested that - having counterpart categories is an essential part of categorizing wikis. Having just a category for Hobbit or LotR actors is like just having a category for English or American people. You'll have to categorize EVERYONE, or none. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 16:58, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
 
:I disagree.I would like to explain some things. First, I have signed my last posts.Second what you added right now in pages [[Christopher Lee]] , [[Orlando Bloom]] and [[Elijah Wood]] I didnt think about it.--[[User talk:85.72.212.188|85.72.212.188]] 19:32, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
 
::You were repeatedly told to sign your posts. Not just today. Also, what I did (and also what you did) to those articles is irrelevant to the discussion. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 18:03, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
 
:I didn't want to disturb you.Whatever question you want to ask me about that matter, just do it.Ask me whatever you want about the point.--[[User talk:85.72.212.188|85.72.212.188]] 01:21, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 
==Complaint and Explanations ==
Fool.Why did you do that? After all I have done? After all the editings that I have done in Tolkien Gateway;This is the way you thank me:By blogging me; If you want to complain about my behaviour youcan discuss about it either on my talk page or on your talk page.--[[User talk:85.72.212.188|85.72.212.188]] 01:10, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
 
== Asking for advice ==
I may have over-stepped myself trying to help Nienna-eve. I thought they were just innocent mistakes, but a lot of it gets repeated. Direct quotes were changed (with copy errors), infobox pictures were swapped without discussion (Estë, Arien, Tilion, & Nerdanel), naming style has been ignored, and an uncredited Tilion image was uploaded. I've tried to model and explain, but it didn't really help. At this point, I do not want to be seen as edit-warring for continuing to re-edit her work (it's not all bad! but there are things that I've fixed 2-3x already and I'm concerned that's pushing it). So, what do you think? Should I back off and leave it alone or continue to fix it when I see it? --[[User:Elf-esteem|Elf-esteem]] 03:39, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
 
:I've been a bit absent from checking all RC, sorry. I'll add something, but what you said is correct. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 11:51, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
 
==Tauriel==
Is this page really a 'mess'? It includes virtually all the known details about her in the 2 movies in which she appears. --[[User:BalrogTrainer|BalrogTrainer]] 02:31, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
 
:The history section should be in-universe. Apparently, we don't have an "out-of-universe" cleanup tag. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 09:45, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

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Discussion

Hello.I would like to discuss about something here.

Discussions

Let's talk about it here, here and here.Unsigned comment by 2.86.255.128 (talk).

I would like to be discussed something generally.Read here.Unsigned comment by 2.86.255.128 (talk).

It should be mentioned in any way that Ravenhill was the place of the final duel between Thorin and Azog in the films. Unsigned comment by 2.86.255.128 (talk).

It should be mentioned in a way that resembles English. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 18:36, 4 January 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Why don't you put in your own way? I mean you can write it in your own way (the fact that in Ravendill happened the final confrontation between Thorin and Azog). Unsigned comment by 2.86.255.128 (talk).


I've done that for roughly 80% of what you've added so far. Please improve your English. This is not optional. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 19:43, 4 January 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Complaint and Discussions

Fool.Why did you do that? After all I have done? After all the editings that I have done in Tolkien Gateway;Is this the way you thank me? By blogging me; Is this how you thank the others for their contribitions here? By blogging them? Congratulations.Congratulations.You should be given an award for that.This is the way you thank the others.By blogging them.Right?You are an asshole.If the only thing you know what to do is blogging them and not discussing with them, then do it again. OK? Well done.--2.86.255.128 20:25, 05 January 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Blogging is writing a weblog. What I did was blocking you. Because I've had to clean up all your edits, and you still continued. Don't you look at how I (and others) rewrite your contributions? Don't you learn from that? Don't you see what we remove all the time, what we keep and what we rewrite? --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 21:37, 5 January 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Next time I would like FIRST to discuss these problems with me.OK? Unsigned comment by 2.86.255.128 (talk).


I indicated your English was below par before. You make a mess, I clean it up. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 10:16, 6 January 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Why did you delete my editings on page Beorn's Hall?I am telling the truth about the filming of Beorn's Hall (where it was shot).You can check it.I am not lying. Unsigned comment by 2.86.255.128 (talk).

Also, why did you delete my editings on talk page about Tauriel(I am talking about this page:Talk:Tauriel)? This my opinion. OK? Can't I say my opinion about her fate now? This is just my opinion about her fate.OK? Unsigned comment by 2.86.255.128 (talk).

Didn't I explain enough? The English is too poor to be usable. It's not a fun thing for me to say to you, but if I don't, you'll never improve. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 18:47, 6 January 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

All these games that I added on Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment do exist.Why didn't you put these games on this page earlier? Before me no-one else had ever said about these games on Tolkien Gateway. You could have mentioned these games earlier on Tolkien Gateway, but you didn't.Why? Unsigned comment by 2.86.255.128 (talk).

I'm largely retired from active content editing. I still do clean up work, though. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 07:24, 9 January 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Why?Why are you retired from active content editing? You can still create pages on Tolkien Gateway.Don't be so pessimistic about yourself. Unsigned comment by 2.86.255.128 (talk).

About my edit

Why did you undo my edit on the nazgul page? When you actually look at the battle of the morannon, you can actually see a wraith falling of his steed during the battle (A screenshot of the wraith in question)

Not complaining about anything here, just asking--LordAndSaviourSauron 18:42, 1 February 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

"They are taken out" covers the scene. Whether one was alive or dead is speculation. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 19:06, 1 February 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Ah okay. Also tbh i wonder what would happen if one survived the destruction of the ring--LordAndSaviourSauron 04:19, 2 February 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Battle under the Trees

First of all, thanks for reminding me not to capitalize under. Obviously a bit miffed you deleted it so quickly, but admittedly there was a bit of conjecture in it. I would point out that by putting 'maybe' I clearly labled my conjecture, whereas there are plenty of articles that don't, for example: 'The battle was incredibly important in the course of the War of the Ring: if Sauron's Easterling armies had beaten the Dwarves and Men of Dale, they would have been able to join up with Sauron's forces from Dol Guldur in their attacks on the Woodland Realm of Mirkwood and Lothlórien, tipping the scales in favor of Mordor.' I don't see how saying that Thranduil's army in Mirkwood would have probably exceeded that in 2941 is much more problematic. Anyway, what I'm proposing is that I write a more basic version of the article, then submit it to you or another administrator before saving it. Frankly, the Gateway's current stuff on the War of the Ring is pretty poor, and we could really do with a few short articles on the battles. The current War template leaves out half the conflict. It's fair enough to get rid of conjecture, but I'll happily do that for you. Unsigned comment by Hazad (talk • contribs).

I didn't delete it quickly - not as quickly as I've deleted other articles. I was busy copy editing it, fixing the sources and everything, but without all the speculation, there really wasn't much of a history section left. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 05:23, 1 April 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hazad: IIRC, there was a discussion about having an article about a "Battle under the Trees" a couple of years ago, ultimately reaching a consensus similar to Michael Martinez' thoughts on the subject. Thus, if there are details missing about the battle(s) in Mirkwood, I would advise adding these to the history section of Mirkwood. --Morgan 06:41, 1 April 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

OK, thanks for getting back to me. I have read that Martinez article and to be honest I think it's a bit below his usual standards, in that when Tolkien writes 'battle under the trees' he is clearly referring to Mirkwood in particular, rather than Mirkwood and Lorien. But anyhow no matter. While I'm asking, why is the War of the Elves and Sauron page protected, when it's marked as in need of expansion? (really needs to be added to, the only reference is Appendix B)

What did I do wrong with the Warg matriarch image?

No offense but i seriously have no idea what you meant with "no source" when you deleted the image

As for the infobox, i couldnt do much better since im on an ipad and the editing interface doesnt work that well on my ipad--LordAndSaviourSauron 19:47, 26 May 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

All images need a source category and subject categories. I deleted that one because I couldn't guess which of the three it was from. You like it? You source it. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 20:38, 26 May 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oh now i get it. Guess ill reupload it tomorrow since i know where its from--LordAndSaviourSauron 21:01, 26 May 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
And the other two images? what was wrong with those? Unsigned comment by LordAndSaviourSauron (talk • contribs).


Duplicates of each other, and no point to illustrate it on the article. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 16:34, 27 May 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oh, but idk if an image of how the eye appears in the hobbit would actually be pointless, since it looks quite different than what the eye looked like in LOTR.--LordAndSaviourSauron 20:33, 27 May 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It looked fairly similar. If they're different, describe the differences on the relevant page. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 20:36, 27 May 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]