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Carn Dum

Hi, what did you not like in that article's analysis? shouldn't we mention that the name can be Sindarin, and if so, we don't know the words? Temp 08:54, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Well, at first I disagreed, but with the current reword it's fine. I removed the phrase "The circumflex ^ is used by Tolkien in Sindarin extra long vowels[2], but these words have not been attested in Sindarin." because there are plenty of those in Sindarin, even with the û - Udûn, for one. But properly sourced, it's good. Note that we're still working on referencing, but we pretty much agreed on these. Keep up the work - don't be shy, go ahead and completely rewrite an article instead of adding a couple of sentences if you think it needs it. Even very minor characters like Gildor Inglorion or even Nob could have a very good article. -- Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 09:23, 9 January 2009 (UTC)


How do you get those little boxes and such that say your name and have links to talk, profile, etc.? Unsigned comment by Breragor (talk • contribs).

Just click on "edit" on those pages and see the code they are composed of (some combination of {{, | and ]] etc etc) Sage 00:05, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
Or go here: Help:Signatures. But keep it within the borders of sanity, please. -- Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 08:24, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Reading order

Hi again... I know new fans usually wonder about the reading order and I don't know if you ever thought about it. Now it just crossed my mind to make such an article about anyone interested. I plan to start such an article and I hope you have stuff to add. Sage 00:05, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

I do have a newbie's reading order, actually. I give it occasionally on IMDb, where I'm a regular on the LotR boards.
  1. The Hobbit - purely for introductionary reasons
  2. The Lord of the Rings
  3. Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age - basically a summary of LotR from a historian's perspective
  4. The Third Age parts of Unfinished Tales (though The Drúedain and The Istari can be skipped for now)
  5. The rest of the Silmarillion
  6. The rest of Unfinished Tales
  7. The Letters
I just don't have a clue what to call such an article. -- Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 08:18, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Elvish database

I read somewhere that the creation of a Tolkienian wiktionary was one of the ambitions of this wiki. Check out my first attempts. Sage 16:09, 5 February 2009 (UTC)


I like it. My only concern is that perhaps references are overloaded and I would point your attention to some minimalism. There is no need to see everywhere "J.R.R. Tolkien" and "J.R.R. Tolkien, Christopher Tolkien (ed.)" again and again in almost every reference. I mean people knows who wrote them. After all, the wiki is about Tolkien.
I am telling this because in a proposed guideline it was (by you?) mentioned that well-known facts need no referencing (like that Bilbo was a Hobbit). Same perhaps would apply to the References themselves.
Of course overly formality is a respected option. Sage 13:06, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

It can be a bit over-the-top, of course. But my main goal with always including the author was meant for the secondary and semi-secondary works. Originally, I favoured just doing Book, "Chapter", but I think that got expanded at one of the meetings.
"Vinyar Tengwar 45, page 24" says nothing to anyone who doesn't have VT (and even to people that do). When JRRT wrote it, it must be made clear. When someone other than JRRT wrote it, that must also be made clear. Just my thoughts. -- Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 13:24, 22 February 2009 (UTC)


I put in the talk page of the template while I called it VGC. Also, I put in the publisher as a way to substitute the author found on template:HM. --Pinkkeith 22:40, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

I read the talk pages after I edited, and wanted to respond, but Safari left me. We don't have a standard (yet) citation. Last year, I tried to get some consensus on the matter, and we sorta formulated a couple of things, but they were shelved for a while; let's just say there was a frost in Spring, or a blight in Summer.
As for more games; for that to work, it's best to simply create links to sections, such as in The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (video game)#The Shire.
Also, keep a couple of things in mind. While chapter summaries can go in present tense, character pages (such as Amartiel) would have to be past tense. Also, avoid contractions like "isn't". -- Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 22:48, 5 March 2009 (UTC)


You said you needed a summary for our new Featured Article ;-)

The Witch-king of Angmar (before Second Age 2200 - Third Age 3019, March 15) was the chief of the Nazgûl, King of Angmar, and Sauron’s great captain in his wars. A wraith, the Witch-king of Angmar was nearly indestructible, a terrible warrior, and a cunning strategist. As predicted by Glorfindel he fell by the hand of a woman, Éowyn, in the Battle of the Pelennor Fields and his death marked the beginn of Sauron's downfall.

It's taken from the article for the greatest part but I added the last sentence about his fall. - Eldarion Telcontar 21:08, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Like it. I really had one wish: that it included Glorfindel and Eowyn. I am going to change that date around, though. And properly credit the image ;P -- Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 21:42, 9 April 2009 (UTC)


I will consider it. And thank you for the "poem" installation, i didn't knew it existed. As for Khazad-Dum, It is spelled so in Summoning's CD. However, I've added the line (-). Originally it is written "Khazad Dúm"
mthomas 07:53, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Then I'll move it to Khazad Dúm (song) for consistency. -- Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 08:52, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

New Articles for Battle for Middle-earth 2

May i have permission to create several articles about Battle for Middle-earth 2? For Example, "Dwarves in BFME2", that analyse the Dwarven force, and its accuracy in Tolkien's writings or its differece from it. Another example is "Maps of BFME2" that states and describes every map in the game and if it has differences from the original one (Forlindon in the game-Forlindon in Tolkien's writings). - mthomas 16:26, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Nope. That's for a section "Portrayal in adaptations" in Dwarves proper, Forlindon, or maybe a section "Differences from the books" in BFME2, detailing changes in geography. -- Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 16:31, 25 April 2009 (UTC)


The phrase on my user page was designed to frustrate you, but I deemed it dumb and therefore took it off my user page. It said, roughly, "This is designed to frustrate you, It uses both Sindarin and Quenya, Use it to frustrate others." However, I took it off because nobody will take the time to translate it. LotRfan01 00:16, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

I actually took some time, but gave up when nothing made sense. -- Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 15:48, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Multiple language words

If they are unrelated languages, I separate them with ----. Related identical words like aran are commented together. I still struggle with an easy readable layout Sage 11:38, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

I was thinking sort of a wiktionary approach, is that a good idea? (Aran needs cleanup, btw). -- Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 11:42, 12 May 2009 (UTC)


As I'm working on the events in Arda I have created a Google Calendar in order to keep track of the many events in different years. I inserted the events between April 2009 and March 2010 (unfortunately Google doesn't offer a Shire Calendar^^) and included the year in the description (e.g. "3021 - Samwise returns to Bag End"). Here comes the address. I think that it could prevent us from losing track, couldn't it? :) -- Eldarion Telcontar 21:33, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

That's a good one. It certainly helps you keep track of everything. -- Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 21:45, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Decipher Cards

yes. you can see it here.

Oh, and i have a collection of Gimli's cards (around 20) each one with different attributes and names (Gimli-Lord of the Glittering Caves/Gimli-Faithful Companion for example). Shall i upload them? (In the To-do-list is written that every Decipher card shall be uploaded. If so, we can take them form here. mthomas 11:48, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Okay, didn't know Thorin III had one. But Fror and Farin are NOT the characters from the Appendices, so I've removed those pictures from the articles. -- Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 11:47, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
ok. and what about the other cards? mthomas 11:48, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
Well, a scaled down version of the full card can be done? We do need a Fairuse-Decipher template for it, though. They're apparently (c) by NLP (New Line?), TE (Tolkien Enterprises) and Decipher. -- Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 11:50, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
What do you mean by "scaled down"? we can place it as a card or only the image. the images resolution is 350x400.mthomas 11:52, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
I thought of uploading the images scaled down to about 75%. But since several other sites have them at 100%, I don't think it will be much of a problem fair use-wise. I think it's a better idea to categorize the decipher cards under their image set, rahter than Category:Images of Decipher Cards showing Gimli|what characters are included[former link]. -- Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 12:22, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
intersting. let me know if you have ideas of sub categorizing. If you want to upload images, i've given you the link.mthomas 12:26, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
Well, look at here. If we categorize them as "Category: Images from Reflections" or something (maybe "Images from Reflections (Decipher cards)"?), that way we can make the individual set pages redirects to the category. -- Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 12:30, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
Good. I'll try to contribute.mthomas 12:42, 14 May 2009 (UTC)


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Thanks. -- Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 13:03, 20 May 2009 (UTC)


please delete Image:WAR-ICONS Harad device.gif and Image:WAR-ICONS Harad device.png. I was just trying to create a device for battles with these images, but it wasn't good as the white background in the images does still appear. Unsigned comment by Mthomas (talk • contribs).

Done. if you want an image deleted, just add Template:Delete, and say "delete" in the edit summary, I'll catch them then. -- Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 10:22, 23 May 2009 (UTC)


Dear Ederchil,

I want to make a question: How can I get rollback rights (if there are any)? I am already a rollbacker in another wiki, Halopedia (, and I would like to know how can I obtain these rights here

Thanks for your time,

--Odysseas-Spartan53 14:07, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, we don't just give out rollback rights here. I've got rollback rights on several wikia's too, but those were given to me after I actually did something about vandalism. We're a very small-staffed wiki project, but any vandalism is quickly reverted by sysops. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 14:14, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
When you say a small-staffed wiki project, how many do you mean? Of course, I don't expect to have the same community as Wookieepedia but I believe we are many. Am I wrong? Finally, how can someone become a Featured Gatekeeper? I this something like the User of the Month? I don't plan to nominate myself, I want to know.--Odysseas-Spartan53 18:58, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
Well, we have two sysops - Hyarion and me, and for the rest, its users. We might expand on that in the future, but for now, it's sufficient.
We don't have any guidelines for Featured Gatekeeper. Yet. It's one of those plans that never really got off the ground. -- Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 19:31, 23 May 2009 (UTC)


In some articles I have added such a "disclaimer". I think they were removed by someone or in others I forgot to add. Thanks for reminding me. Sage 20:38, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm thinking something that is unmissable, much like the other templates. -- Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 20:41, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Btw I was surprised that you had in hand the complete sources about the Gondolindic Runes. Do you actually possess these copies, or found any online references? How come you know the source about almost anything mentioned? That's impressive! That article would need some more exact sourcing Sage 09:36, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

I only have PE15, and the other refs are mentioned there (but not precise). I don't have the Mallorn issues, but I've ordered them. -- Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 09:46, 24 May 2009 (UTC)


Morning! :) Long time no talk. I am in the process of founding Tolkien Society Romania, along with a friend, and that's one of the reasons my editing here on TG has been done sporadically. We want to launch the website and have our first meeting as fast as possible, since it is already exams period and then the summer will come, the members will go back home for the holidays. Unfortunately, as I was warned by one of the guys at Tolkien Society, websites have a way of taking longer to complete than we are expecting.

And here comes my question. I was wondering if I could get "inspired" from what I wrote here to form a few articles on the TSR website. To make things clear, I would get inspired strictly from what I wrote. I do plan to continue in the future to write both for TG and for the TSR website and NOT the same stuff. So it won't be copy there paste here and vice versa. But for now there's a lot going on, my time is very limited and I am trying to launch the website with as few blank pages as possible. It’s the first Tolkien Society ever created in Romania and I want things to go as good as possible. And as fast as possible.

So, what do you think? I haven't had time to go through what I wrote yet, but if you want article names and such, I'll take a look and let you know.

Have a good day! :) ~~ Þelma 08:02, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Personally, I don't have a problem with that. TG's text is available under GNU FDL.
And don't hesitate to promote TSR. Make the page. -- Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 08:17, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
Oh, good! That's good news. I will promote TSR, both here and in the TS links page (I'll see if I can find more places). Alright, then, thanks a lot. :) ~~ Þelma 08:59, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
Almost there with the site. #:-S. You'll be in my "Thank You"s section. Do you want to appear as Ederchil or Olof? ~~ Þelma 10:34, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
Ederchil would be fine. I'm trying to keep those two "seperate". -- Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 14:59, 22 June 2009 (UTC)


I wholeheartedly apologize if I disrupted anything on the Nauglamír page. I changed just one word, since the first sentence under 'History' said, "The Nauglamír was forged by the Dwarves of Belegost out of the treasure of Nargothrond" when the Dwarves of Belegost are only mentioned after the slaying of Thingol. The Dwarves of Belegost deny aid to the Dwarves of Nogrod when those from Nogrod are led to believe their kinsmen were cheated and slain in Menegroth, and then wish to take vengeance on the Elves of Doriath. The Dwarves of Belegost had no part in the reforging of the Nauglamír and tried to dissuade the Dwarves of Nogrod from pursuing the 'vengeance' that would lead to the Sack of Doriath. I'm new to the editing side of a wiki, so I apologize. Nimphedal 13:27, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Don't be, please. You're doing great and you didn't disrupt anything. It's just that I read all edits, and the overall state of the article before you edited was sub-standard. -- Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 14:00, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Ah, okay, thanks. And since you're an admin, might I ask if there's to be a page separation in the eventual cleanup of the Sack of Doriath page? I thought the Sack of Doriath and the Second Kinslaying were considered separate instances as they took place three years apart, but maybe 'Sack of Doriath' is an umbrella term for both that I've not heard before. I only ask because the waning years of the First Age is something of a focus for me lately. Nimphedal 16:38, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Well, you're free to do the cleanup yourself, of course. I definitely think the two should be split up. -- Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 16:52, 24 October 2009 (UTC)


Hey Ederchil, six people have agreed now that Glamdring would be a great Featured Article. Would you please put it on the Main Page? The Witch-king has been there for ages.. ;-) Eldarion Telcontar 14:48, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Done. Though I didn't do an image, because that still doesn't work. -- Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 16:04, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
Wow, it's great to see a change. Thanks! Hopefully Hyarion can ask his webhoster soon (see Forum:Image problems). We cannot upload every image in various sizes ;-) -- Eldarion Telcontar 20:34, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Parma Eldalamberon

Hi! Where did you find info on the exact publication years for Parma Eldalamberon? Wikipedia hasn't got much info, and the PE website is a mess (one of the reasons why I systemized the "public" info from its website here on Tolkien Gateway)... --Morgan 14:23, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

I have issues 1-5 (see also here), and issue 6 had a review in Quettar 21. -- Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 14:28, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
I have issues 1-8 (and 11, 13 and 15-18), and on that basis have corrected the publication years for #6 and #8. -- Mithrennaith 15:51, 10 December 2009 (UTC)


If I understand the case correctly, there is a database problem right now creating thumbnails. But can I still upload scaled down images for use on a page? --Morgan 16:08, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, the problem is downscaling. If you upload an image of say 200 or 250px wide, it shouldn't be a problem (and in the case of headshots, the image doesn't need to be bigger). I really need to contact Hyarion about it, but I keep forgetting that. -- Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 16:29, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
Is there any news about this, yet? I really want to go through and do this year's Amon Hens and Mallorns (or should that be Emyn Hen and Mellyrn?!) but I can't tolerate this thumbnail error! --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 12:55, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
I've emailed him just now. I've been meaning to do it this weekend, but stuff got in between (the "stuff" being white, powdery, and getting everywhere). -- Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 15:52, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Siege of Mirkwood

Sorry, been busy exploring the virtual Mirkwood! Siege of Mirkwood is book 9 of Vol II, the Mines of Moria. The book name isn't Siege of Mirkwood it is Fortress of the Nazgul. The name of the digital download you had to buy to play the book is LOTRO: Siege of Mirkwood. In the past you bought the first few chapters of the Vol (Shadows of Angmar and Mines of Moria) and then additional books were added as free downloads. This time the final book of Vol II had to be bought in addition to Mines of Moria. --Pinkkeith 21:43, 22 December 2009 (UTC)


What happens, I think, is you type "User:Mith/sig" into the URL but the "This page doesn't exist, do you want to create it" changes it to "Mith/sig" automatically, and I just clicked "create" without thinking. Try it yourself and you'll see what I mean. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 20:02, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Actually, i have tried it. It happened to me too. -- Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 20:17, 23 December 2009 (UTC)