User talk:Hyarion

Need Help With Footnotes!

Hyarion, I need help getting the footnotes working on the Chamber of Mazarbul page. Could you help? Thanks so much.

-Old Took

I saw you added that on the talk page but wasn't sure what you meant as the links work fine for me. What doesn't seem to be working for you? When I click them it sends the page down to align the top line with the relevant footnote, and when you click the up arrow it will jump you back up to the in-text citation. Am I missing something? Keep in mind the footnotes aren't very effective as the page can only scroll so much, thus rending it incapable of going all the way down to the correct reference. --Hyarion 22:24, 3 April 2006 (EDT)

Sorry, it was a browser problem of mine. Everything's fine now! -Old Took

Question

Hello, Hyarion!

I hope this is the right place to send messages - if not, please erase this.

Well, I was suprised to see that I was the second person to register in here, but that's even better: there's plenty of room to fill in.

I found these pages - as you might guess - via the Finnish Kontu forum, where the administrator Merri had posted a message informing about possibilities for co-operation. So I hope there will be more Finns to register in. I'll send my contributions when I have time to do that - quite irregularly, I'm afraid, but let's hope the best.

yours, Tik

By the way, how does one start writing a new article to which there exists no previous link? I couldn't figure that out, being quite unaccustomed to Wiki. The only way I could start writing a new article was to edit a previous one and add there a new internal link and continue editing that one.

I have a feeling that will be a common one (because I had to figure that one out myself) so I'll post that on the help page. All you have to do is type in your address bar, something like http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Title of Page (it will even insert the underscores for you) and you will be directed to a page that does not exist and you can edit it that way.

Also, something I broke my own rule on, its a good idea to type a 'signature' when adding a comment to a discussion, otherwise no one knows who wrote it. I wish mediawiki would do it automatically, but until I fix that, a good standard to use is like mine below, just type "&mdash ;" but take the space out between the h and the semicolon...I can't figure out how to show those literally. You can also use -- it's just a matter of preference. And then type 4 ~ in a row. The first one prints out your name, second the time, 3rd the date, and 4th the timezone I believe.

EDIT: Hm...looks like your one step ahead of me, on your pages, you have exactly that.

EDIT: On second thought I'm going to move this to User:Hyarion because I'll probably keep this page to say what the English translation of Hyarion is. -- Hyarion 11:41, 12 Jun 2005 (EDT)

Answer To Your Question

A lot of my stuff is at my LJ, ~~Black Sun~~, and some is at Parma, OF and Elfsheen, but a lot is just on my hard disk. :)

— Brighty 6:22, 25 Aug 2005 (EDT)

Bokkie Moans

Hey

Can you try and make a Special:Sandbox for us users to try stuff out in? makes editing family lines and such easier...

I've spotted a difference of opinion... 8-) I've been trying to remove all the Hobbits Category entries from the different hobbits, but I see you add them still... It did make it easier for me to check who had been edited... I guess we want them back?

• Ah, hehe. That is something I was debating. I wonder if it is possible to have a 'Hobbits' cateogry and in it, list the hobbit family names, but have it also contain a list of all the hobbits since those are sub-categories. I guess when it comes down to it I just want a page that lists all the Hobbits, whatever way works I'm fine with. Sorry I totally forgot you were removing those, heh, I'll look into it to see what way will work. --Hyarion 16:44, 9 Sep 2005 (EDT)

I'll leave the Hobbit category be then. I guess it would be just as useful to have all the hobbits in one big list, as it was. Just add a category for the specific family too, like you did 8-)

I've got my doubts about double pages like Sam Gamgee and Samwise Gamgee. It basically is one and the same person, only a nickname or shortform. I would rather see 1 article with a list of "aliases"... --Bokkie 17:42, 14 Sep 2005 (EDT)

I understand where you're coming from and I'll keep thinking about it, but for the time being I still say that it would be more beneficial to have the names on seperate pages, because each name has a specific meaning. For example Aragorn Elessar and Strider and such, you can go into great detail about the different names and people who called him that, places he used it, and the Elvish translations along with the old english meanings, etc. This would tend to drag down the Aragorn Elessar page to list all the names/information on it. For things like Sam Gamgee there is not going to be as much information to talk about it, but just to keep the same system I think it's best to keep it. In the future we can list when he is referred to as 'Sam' and by whom. Just my opinion though. --Hyarion 00:15, 15 Sep 2005 (EDT)

Sandbox

Good idea, I'll add that to the to-do list while I upgrade the new wiki software, which should greatly improve the left menu, I'm going to be able to add things like links to the letters A-Z or links to races or to whatever we want and in different tables, if you have any suggestions let me know. --Hyarion 16:39, 9 Sep 2005 (EDT)

What Happened to Me?

This is Brighty - what happened to me? I tried to log in and it said I don't exist. Weird.

Were you using "BrightSideoftheDark"? Your still on the userlist, odd. --Hyarion 21:51, 3 November 2005 (EST)

Cirith Gorgor and related bands

Hey Hyarion,

Like Blind Guardian not all songs relate to Tolkien, but the ones that do stick to theme. Do you want bands to stick with just a band page?

Honestly it's up to you, that's the best part, no one person has full control and we as a community can make decisions, but with the Blind Guardian page I just copied that from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_Guardian for now and have yet to remove the unnecessary links, which was my fault because you were basing your articles off that. With Blind Guardian, as with Cirith Gorgor it is tricky because the Tolkien theme is greater in some albums and songs than others so there is no easy fine line. In the end more information is always better than less and if in the future we deem the articles as unnecessary it won't take any effort to remove them. --Hyarion 18:05, 28 November 2005 (EST)

Ah ok. I was gonna just throw up a band page but saw all the information on Blind Guardian I figure I better not slack and add some more :P I'll clean it up and keep it that way in the future.

Barrowdowns Mb

Hey Hyarion,

I like your idea about the barrowdowns.com MB, I say lets do it.-Goldfinger

Spam

Hi Hyarion Firstly love this site! Secondly we have a troll adding porn links: Hfskodweyb I have edited and deleted the nonesense twice but it reappears. you may need to block this spammer —Unsigned comment by Sancho proudfoot (talk • contribs).

Good morning Sancho! Yes unfortunately we do get bots from time to time. Luckily they are just trying to gain PageRank so they normally try to hide the links. In an upcoming patch we will be forcing unregistered users to type in some random numbers/letters from an image to stop the bots. This one managed to register which makes it a bit more difficult to stop but the best we can do is add an extension that only allows people to edit X amount of pages in X amount of minutes which I'm looking into as well. Thanks for keeping an eye on it.

--Hyarion 10:57, 14 April 2006 (EDT)

Ñoldor vs. Noldor

Hello. You asked about the use of ñ, and the answer's pretty complicated. First let me say the I changed the n to ñ just to be consistent in the text - I really don't care much one way or the other. And here's the long story behind it all...

Ñ is used as a nasal plosive by Tolkien, so it would sound something like "ng" in "song" or "king". This is Quenya in its purist form. The Vanyar in Aman would say "Ñoldor", not "Noldor". Occasionally you will even see "Ñoldor" spelled "Ngoldor". However, in Middle Earth, the mixing of languages changed pronounciations, so by the Third Age an elf would just as likely say "Noldor", as "Ñoldor". Older pronounciations did continue into the Third Age; for example the name "Elrond". Quenya in the Third Age tended to drop the "d" at the end of words, but Elrond was always referred to by his archaic name, rather than by "Elron".

You wanted citations, but I can't name them off the top of my head. Check out this page: http://www.uib.no/people/hnohf/ndnn.htm for more info. He's a linguist that knows his stuff and where I got my knowledge of Quenya.

So there you go, the sordid tale of "ñ". The whole thing comes down to whether the text is referring to ancient "Ñoldor" or the "Noldor" of the Third Age. If a final decision needs to be made, I would use "Noldor" throughout the site and mention in passing that "Ñoldor" is the older spelling and pronounciation of the word.

Hope this helps.

More on Spam

In regards to the spam comment above: since the site uses MediaWiki, it's very easy to disallow anonymous editing. While it will slightly slow down the growth of the site, it adds a layer of protection that a wiki needs to stay relevant to its audience. Few bots can handle the complexity of registering, especially if email confirmation is required. It's a bit of a pain for casual users, but it's worth it in the long run. Just my two cents.

Uploading pictures

I Have been trying to add a photo, but I get the message ".jpg]] is not a valid picture format"

What am I doing wrong ( perhaps you can give an 'idiot's guide' on adding photos. (The one I wish to upload is saved in my hard drive)

Odd, I've never had any problems with uploading images. What is the destination filename you are using? From here it looks like you are maybe typing the destination filename as "[[Blah.jpg]]" when all you really need to say is "Blah.jpg", no need for any brackets. Let me know if that helps. When I upload images I don't even bother altering the destination filename as it will automatically insert whatever your file is called on your computer. --Hyarion 15:52, 17 April 2006 (EDT)

Ok that worked, but haven't any idea of how to link it to the relevant page. Can you move it please?