https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Westron&feed=atom&action=historyWestron - Revision history2024-03-19T03:28:29ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.39.3https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Westron&diff=378801&oldid=prevLuotiansha at 14:57, 14 August 20232023-08-14T14:57:29Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>In the course of the [[Third Age]] Westron was adopted by nearly all [[Men]] and [[Hobbits]] that lived within the borders of the old kingdoms of [[Arnor]] and [[Gondor]] all along the coasts from [[Umbar]] northward to the Bay of Forochel, and inland to the [[Misty Mountains]] and the [[Ephel Dúath]] and north up the river [[Anduin]] to the [[Gladden Fields]] between the [[Misty Mountains]] and the Anduin. At the time of the [[War of the Ring]] Westron was still the native tongue in this area.<ref name=lang/><ref>{{PM|XNotes}}, #59</ref> [[Hobbitish]] itself was a rustic dialect of Westron. </div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>In the course of the [[Third Age]] Westron was adopted by nearly all [[Men]] and [[Hobbits]] that lived within the borders of the old kingdoms of [[Arnor]] and [[Gondor]] all along the coasts from [[Umbar]] northward to the Bay of Forochel, and inland to the [[Misty Mountains]] and the [[Ephel Dúath]] and north up the river [[Anduin]] to the [[Gladden Fields]] between the [[Misty Mountains]] and the Anduin. At the time of the [[War of the Ring]] Westron was still the native tongue in this area.<ref name=lang/><ref>{{PM|XNotes}}, #59</ref> [[Hobbitish]] itself was a rustic dialect of Westron. </div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Westron is a translation of the original name '''''Adûni'''''<ref>{{PM|X}}, p. 316</ref> (cf. [[Adûnaic]] ''[[Adûn]]'' ("west")), and "Common Speech" translates the Westron term '''[[Sôval]] [[Phârë]]''',<ref>{{PM|Languages}}, note 6, p. 55</ref> of identical meaning. In [[Sindarin]] the language was called '''[[Annúnaid]]''' (Westron), or '''[[Falathren]]''' (Shore-language).<ref>{{PM|Languages}}, The Languages at the End of the Third Age, p. 32</ref></div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Westron is a translation of the original name '''''Adûni'''''<ref>{{PM|X}}, p. 316</ref> (cf. [[Adûnaic]] ''[[Adûn]]'' ("west")), and "Common Speech" translates the Westron term '''[[Sôval]] [[Phârë]]''',<ref>{{PM|Languages}}, note 6, p. 55</ref> of identical meaning. In [[Sindarin]] the language was called '''[[Annúnaid]]''' (Westron), or '''[[Falathren]]''' (Shore-language).<ref>{{PM|Languages}}, The Languages at the End of the Third Age, p. 32</ref></div></td></tr>
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</table>Luotianshahttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Westron&diff=378289&oldid=prevLuotiansha at 20:37, 9 August 20232023-08-09T20:37:21Z<p></p>
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</table>Luotianshahttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Westron&diff=369218&oldid=prevDour1234: /* Translation */2023-02-25T03:24:14Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Translation</span></span></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>However, Tolkien mentions that Westron was presented as having been completely replaced by English in the text. This had certain important implications: first of all, proper names with derivations understandable or evident to speakers of Westron had been translated, to preserve the effect to the English reader. Thus, names like ''Baggins'', ''Bagshot Row'', ''Peregrin'', ''Rivendell'' et cetera, are not the ''actual'' names as spoken by the characters but are presented as ''translations''. </div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>However, Tolkien mentions that Westron was presented as having been completely replaced by <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">[[Modern </ins>English<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">]] </ins>in the text. This had certain important implications: first of all, proper names with derivations understandable or evident to speakers of Westron had been translated, to preserve the effect to the English reader. Thus, names like ''Baggins'', ''Bagshot Row'', ''Peregrin'', ''Rivendell'' et cetera, are not the ''actual'' names as spoken by the characters but are presented as ''translations''. </div></td></tr>
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</table>Dour1234https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Westron&diff=368920&oldid=prevAdunoeth: /* Distribution */2023-02-18T00:14:40Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Distribution</span></span></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>For this, Westron was also known as the '''Common Speech'''. [[Dwarves]] used Westron as a public language, as [[Khuzdul]] was private. Some [[Elves]] also spoke Westron, although some, like [[Haldir]]'s brothers, didn't leave their lands much and had not learned the Common Speech.<ref>{{FR|<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Lothlorien</del>}}</ref> Even [[Orcs]] spoke Westron, which was the base of [[Orkish]] tongues.<ref>{{FR|Hobbits}}</ref><ref name=lang/> </div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>For this, Westron was also known as the '''Common Speech'''. [[Dwarves]] used Westron as a public language, as [[Khuzdul]] was private. Some [[Elves]] also spoke Westron, although some, like [[Haldir]]'s brothers, didn't leave their lands much and had not learned the Common Speech.<ref>{{FR|<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Lorien</ins>}}</ref> Even [[Orcs]] spoke Westron, which was the base of [[Orkish]] tongues.<ref>{{FR|Hobbits}}</ref><ref name=lang/> </div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>'''Westron''' was the [[languages|language]] of the [[Dúnedain]] of [[Middle-earth]]. By the end of the [[Third Age]] it was more or less a universal language spoken throughout the [[Westlands]]. </div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>'''Westron''' was the [[languages|language]] of the [[Dúnedain]] of [[Middle-earth]]. By the end of the [[Third Age]] it was more or less a universal language spoken throughout <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">the [[races]] and peoples of </ins>the [[Westlands]]. </div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[[Adûnaic]]<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">, and in turn Westron</del>, was distantly related to other native languages of the Westlands, like <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">those </del>of [[Rhovanion]] and [[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Rohan language|of Rohan</del>]]; all descended from the [[Taliska|ancient languages]] of the [[Edain]].<ref name=lang>{{App|F1}}</ref><ref>{{UT|Cirion}}, Note 4</ref></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Westron, through its ancestor </ins>[[Adûnaic]], was distantly related to other native languages <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">of the [[Middle Men]] </ins>of the Westlands, like <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">[[Northern Mannish]] </ins>of [[Rhovanion]]<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">, </ins>and [[<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Rohanese</ins>]]; all descended from the [[Taliska|ancient languages]] of the [[Edain]].<ref name=lang>{{App|F1}}</ref><ref>{{UT|Cirion}}, Note 4</ref></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The Westron speech is derived from the [[Adûnaic]] tongue of [[Númenor]]<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">,</del><ref name="L144">{{L|144}}</ref> <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">and originated as a creole language on </del>the western coastlands of the continent of Middle-earth<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">, </del>when <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">the Númenoreans </del>established trade outposts and forts in the third millennium of the [[Second Age]]. <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">From there</del>, it spread to most of the westlands<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">, with the notable exception of [[Mordor]]</del>.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The Westron speech is derived from the [[Adûnaic]] tongue of [[Númenor]]<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">.</ins><ref name="L144">{{L|144}}</ref> <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">The [[Númenoreans]] brought it to </ins>the western coastlands of the continent of <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">[[</ins>Middle-earth<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">]] </ins>when <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">they </ins>established trade outposts and forts in the third millennium of the [[Second Age]]. <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Westron originated as a creole language spoken between the Númenoreans and the native [[Middle Men]]</ins>, <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">and from those Númenorean colonies </ins>it spread to most of the westlands.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>After the [[Downfall of Númenor]], the [[Faithful]] Númenoreans neglected their 'unfaithful' language in favour of [[Elvish]], allowing Adûnaic as spoken in <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">[[</del>Middle-earth<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">]] </del>to change and evolve chaotically among the <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">[[</del>Middle Men<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">]]</del>. But later it was enriched and softened under Elvish influence.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>After the [[Downfall of Númenor]], the [[Faithful]] Númenoreans neglected their 'unfaithful' language in favour of [[Elvish]], allowing Adûnaic as spoken in Middle-earth to change and evolve chaotically among the Middle Men. But later it was enriched and softened under Elvish influence.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>In the course of the [[Third Age]] Westron was adopted by nearly all [[Men]] and [[Hobbits]] that lived within the borders of the old kingdoms of [[Arnor]] and [[Gondor]] all along the coasts from [[Umbar]] northward to the Bay of Forochel, and inland to the [[Misty Mountains]] and the [[Ephel Dúath]] and north up the river [[Anduin]] to the [[Gladden Fields]] between the [[Misty Mountains]] and the Anduin. At the time of the [[War of the Ring]] Westron was still the native tongue in this area.<ref name=lang/><ref>{{PM|XNotes}}, #59</ref> [[Hobbitish]] itself was a rustic dialect of Westron. </div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>In the course of the [[Third Age]] Westron was adopted by nearly all [[Men]] and [[Hobbits]] that lived within the borders of the old kingdoms of [[Arnor]] and [[Gondor]] all along the coasts from [[Umbar]] northward to the Bay of Forochel, and inland to the [[Misty Mountains]] and the [[Ephel Dúath]] and north up the river [[Anduin]] to the [[Gladden Fields]] between the [[Misty Mountains]] and the Anduin. At the time of the [[War of the Ring]] Westron was still the native tongue in this area.<ref name=lang/><ref>{{PM|XNotes}}, #59</ref> [[Hobbitish]] itself was a rustic dialect of Westron. </div></td></tr>
</table>Sagehttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Westron&diff=365871&oldid=prevLorenzoCB: Text replacement - "Rohirric" to "Rohanese"2022-12-31T18:27:00Z<p>Text replacement - "<a href="/wiki/Rohirric" class="mw-redirect" title="Rohirric">Rohirric</a>" to "<a href="/wiki/Rohanese" title="Rohanese">Rohanese</a>"</p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">The </del>'''Westron''' was the [[languages|language]] of the [[Dúnedain]] of [[Middle-earth]]. By the end of the [[Third Age]] it was more or less a universal language spoken throughout the [[Westlands]]. </div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>'''Westron''' was the [[languages|language]] of the [[Dúnedain]] of [[Middle-earth]]. By the end of the [[Third Age]] it was more or less a universal language spoken throughout the [[Westlands]]. </div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[[Adûnaic]], and in turn Westron, was distantly related to other native languages of the Westlands, like those of [[Rhovanion]] and [[Rohan language|of Rohan]]; all descended from the [[Taliska|ancient languages]] of the [[Edain]].<ref name=lang>{{App|F1}}</ref><ref>{{UT|Cirion}}, Note 4</ref></div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[[Adûnaic]], and in turn Westron, was distantly related to other native languages of the Westlands, like those of [[Rhovanion]] and [[Rohan language|of Rohan]]; all descended from the [[Taliska|ancient languages]] of the [[Edain]].<ref name=lang>{{App|F1}}</ref><ref>{{UT|Cirion}}, Note 4</ref></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The Westron speech is derived from the [[Adûnaic]] tongue of [[Númenor]],<ref name="L144">{{L|144}}</ref> and originated as a creole language on the western coastlands of the continent of Middle-earth, when the Númenoreans established trade outposts and forts in the third millennium of the [[Second Age]]. From there, it spread to most of the westlands, with the notable exception of [[Mordor]].</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The Westron speech is derived from the [[Adûnaic]] tongue of [[Númenor]],<ref name="L144">{{L|144}}</ref> and originated as a creole language on the western coastlands of the continent of Middle-earth, when the Númenoreans established trade outposts and forts in the third millennium of the [[Second Age]]. From there, it spread to most of the westlands, with the notable exception of [[Mordor]].</div></td></tr>
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