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The timeline on this website assumes that the Cirth were invented in 1300 and that Daeron improved them in 1350. I believed this scenario for quite a while now, and I believe most articles follow it as well, for instance the one on the Certhas Daeron, but I would be interested in seeing the original source. I assumed it would be said in the Grey Annals, but I could find no statement there to back the scenario up; quite the opposite in fact: in the Grey Annals, there is no mention of the Cirth being ever renewed and instead it is portrayed as if they were invented some time between 1350 and 1495. So, do any of you know a source stating when the Cirth were invented and when they were updated?