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One of the main inconsistencies within TG are the different names for a character given randomly in separated pages, specially with the father/mother-names. For example, Maglor's amilesse has its own page (Makalaure), while Finarfin's (Ingalaurë) redirects to his character page. What should be do? I just added the adunaic name of Amandil and I wondered what's the policy about this. Separated articles for every single name or explain them within the sections of Etymology or Other names? --LorenzoCB 22:38, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

The thought at the time was (IIRC) that it was so all the words and phrases could be properly categorized. But time marches on, and this is actually pretty bad SEO. I'm okay with a merge; any language specific categories can be added to the redirects. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 14:52, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
This was a discussion I lost some years ago. Ederchil is right that the view was to have each one as a separate page; I argued they should all be merged. I don't think we ever really reached a final decision. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 09:29, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
So how the merging should be done then? The Etymology section sometimes is quite a hotchpotch. I guess a good model would be Galadriel? But how to give the etymology of every name within a section? A defined name with a linguistic or narrative background (like Strider) can easily have its own page. I think it's an important matter that would give more consistency to the wiki, but implies touching many things and if it's not clear I won't touch anything. --LorenzoCB 16:19, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
I've been applying the following style: "Etymology" section is focused only on the etymology of the name article, also including the variant etymologies given in OVOTL when pertinent. If there is a cognate or a loose name, it is also included in this section, but if there are more names, we include a "Names" section (not a subsection) explaining etymology and history of the other names. I improved Galadriel#Etymology following this. When a character has many names, these can be listed, as it has been done with Morgoth#Names. I noticed Mith doesn't like that the other names redirect directly to #Etymology/#Names/#OVOTL, and I agree it is a less rude experience for the user. --LorenzoCB 17:02, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
I like this solution. Though I do think that older concept names belong to "OVOTL" rather than in "Etymology" like Melko but if its easier then sure. Gaetano 19:47, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
Another related matter: there are a dozen of articles just for epithets which include the article "the", against what recommends the MoS: The Brown, The Black, among others. Should these be moved to "Brown", "Black", etc? I want to make some pertinent redirects with some of them, but I need to know that before. --LorenzoCB 13:03, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
I am happy with this (and yes, my dislike was on the intrusion for the reader), my only critique is I think it should be "Other names", as opposed to "Names". --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 23:04, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
I agree, that will point out better that "Etymology" is about the main name. Could you use your magical bot to change those that are already done that way, please? --LorenzoCB 23:20, 30 December 2020 (UTC)