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Talk:Battle of Five Armies

We need a template on this article. --Dwarf Lord 10:39, 7 October 2006 (EDT)


[edit] Incorrect

  • Tolkien's text states that the 5 Armies were Men, Elves, Dwarves, Goblins, and Wolves. Eagles are not one of the 5 armies. Also, unless "three parts" means 3/4s, that figure is incorrect also. - Unsigned comment by (talk).

Eagles particapated, so therefore we put them as a combaten, not as part of the armies. three parts means three-fourths otherwise I wouldn't have put it there. --Dwarf Lord 15:37, 9 May 2007 (EDT)

  • By this site's own reckoning Orcs and Goblins are synonymous. However, entry of "Goblins" are redirected to Orcs. Thus, Orcs should take precedent over Goblins. In other words, by this site's own definition and usage, Orcs should be used over Goblins.
  • Also adding to the ambiguity are references, in other areas of this wiki, to Orcs and Goblins being separate races with "Goblins being the weaker" of the two... - Unsigned comment by (talk).
Which ambiguous references are you referring to? Please provide some links to areas containing such.--Morgan 06:12, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

[edit] Armies of Elves and Men

Where does the numbers for Elven and Mannish hosts come from? They certainly aren't from The Hobbit, and they lack all citations. ~Matoro

The figures of a thousand Elven spearmen and five-hundred Dwarves from the Iron Hills are certainly mentioned in the text. I need to check the figure for the Lake-men. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 13:23, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

[edit] Date

If Karen Wynn Fonstad gives reasons for the date she proposes (23 November), it would be nice to include them. I don't have her Atlas. --LorenzoCB 18:55, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

It just says "Dáin arrives in early morning. The Battle of Five Armies. Thorin and Bolg slain." As for how she came to this date, it says the following in the begging of this section: "It should be remembered that only April 27, Midyear's Day, September 22, 2941, and May 1, 2942, were stated or were clearly traceable to Tolkien. All the other dates were calculated and are highly speculative" --Oromë 23:08, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

[edit] Beorn

Why does this article say Beorn was a commander? Whom did he command? —SingingOrc 15:21, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

The book says he came alone, so I'm not sure how he's a commander either. Also, Beornings are listed under Combatants, so unless I'm forgetting something, this is also wrong. --Oromë 15:43, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
Chapter 18 states, "Beorn indeed became a great chief afterwards in those regions and ruled a wide land between the mountains and the wood; and it is said that for many generations the men of his line had the power of taking bear's shape, and some were grim men and bad, but most were in heart like Beorn, if less in size and strength." So I don't think the Beornings really existed at the time of the Battle of Five Armies.—SingingOrc 18:15, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
I think sometimes there is a tendency to put named characters or important characters as "commanders" even if they are not. Since Beorn is important he might have been included there by mistake. It would be like if they put Bilbo there. Turiannerevarine 20:15, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
In all fairness, Beorn did more in the battle than Bilbo did. I will edit that out in that case.—SingingOrc 22:41, 19 September 2021 (UTC)