Talk:Beldis

Woolly Mammoth 17:27, 10 May 2015 (UTC)Handir's year of birth is given in F.A. 441 and Beldis' in F.A. 411...and Brandir is born in F.A. 465...? I sense there is a generation missing here...

I've just checked The War of the Jewels and these dates are correct. It seems unusual to me that Handir would marry a woman 30 years older than him but this appears to be what Tolkien has done. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 17:51, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Woolly Mammoth 18:11, 10 May 2015 (UTC) Moreover that a woman would give birth at the age of 54...

Missing Generation

Correct, there is a missing generation here. The error may be in Tolkien's original documents, but the daughter of Bregil ought to be the GRANDMOTHER of Brandir, not the mother. So, either the generation of Beldis' parents is missing, or Beldis has a daughter who marries Handir and becomes the mother of Brandir. But Beldis (born in FA 411) should not be the mother of Brandir (born in 465). Handir is unlikely to marry someone thirty years older than he is...but he could marry the daughter of someone born in 411! —Unsigned comment by MithLuin (talk • contribs).

I'm checking the source and I find no comment by Christopher on this problem when he comments on the marriage of Beldis and Handir (p. 268). This was a later addition and Tolkien clearly intended Beldis to be Brandir's mother, as he was named after his uncle. My main concern is what is mentioned above, although I don't think both problems are impossible to occur, specially in these dark years of the FA. We cannot correct Tolkien, but we could comment on this in a note or a section. --LorenzoCB (talk) 18:23, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Done. Hehehe, now I'm imagining a lost love story about a strong and warrior-like (but lonely) Beldis (¿S, bel, "strong", + dîs, "woman"?), who had always refused to marry, but was seduced by the youngling Handir, both being rejected by their society but proved it wrong by having a child against all hope. --LorenzoCB (talk) 20:20, 14 May 2023 (UTC)