Talk:Black Ships
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Latest comment: 14 March by Akhorahil in topic Delete? Rename?
Delete? Rename?[edit source]
The term black ship is only used twice in LotR. In both cases, it could easily be argued that 'black ship' is just a description of the ships, not the actual names for it. Additionally, they are always referred to in lowercase so if this page is kept it should be renamed to: Black ships.
‘Do you know, I guessed it was you in the black ships. (p. 863)
even as he laughed at despair he looked out again on the black ships, and he lifted up his sword to defy them. (p. 847)
- I double-checked it by searching for the term "black ship" in an e-book version of LOTR and can confirm that the words are uncapitalized in all cases and black ship does not seem to be used as a proper name, but is merely a description that the sails were black, because it is mentioned that the ships had black sails in the chapter The Mirror of Galadriel, the chapter The Battle of the Pelennor Fields and in the chapter The Pyre of Denethor and the ships were also referred to as the black fleet in the chapter Minas Tirith and in the chapter The Last Debate. This page does not add any information. The information that some of the ships of the Corsairs of Umbar had black sails is already on the Corsairs of Umbar page. I am in favor of deleting the Black Ships page. --Akhôrahil (talk) 15:46, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
