Talk:House of Hador

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Latest comment: 10 September 2022 by Tolkienator in topic The canonicity of "House of Marach"
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Family tree

I just wanted to check, that the rest of the family tree will be added in due course? --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 08:35, 27 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Yes, I was planning on that, but I wasn't sure how to add characters in the family tree. Is there a page where that is explained? --DoctorWellington 15:01, 27 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Well, I tried it, but I couldn't fix Rían's box. --DoctorWellington 15:41, 27 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Make sure you put the spaces in around the names and that the width of each row is the same. If you look at how I've edited it you'll see what I mean. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 16:16, 27 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks for the tips! I only figured it out through try-and-check, by clicking "Show preview" a bunch of times, so it couldn't be perfect. --DoctorWellington 14:32, 28 January 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The canonicity of "House of Marach"

I have an issue regarding the use of the term "House of Marach". As I understand from what I've read from Tolkien's works, I have yet to see the term being used within his works. The only times where he refers to the noble family, he refers to them as the "Third House of the Edain" or "House of Hador". Now I understand that there were prominent members of the same family before Hador himself who gave his name to the house but I haven't seen Marach give his name to the House itself. He has given his name to the general people of this race, specifically the term "Folk of Marach". Now one important note to make is that the noble family is distinguished from the general people who followed the house. For instance, "Third House of the Edain" is used to designate those of the actual ruling family and terms such as "Folk of Marach" are used to designate the culture of people who followed the before-mentioned house. Therefore, in the infoboxes pertaining to the members of this House prior to Hador himself, it's not neccesarily proper to give their House designation as "House of Marach" (a non-canon term). A more suitable term would be "Third House of the Edain". Any thoughts regarding this matter?--Tolkienator 21:40, 25 March 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

You are correct about the "House of Marach", I properly replaced the term in all the articles. However, Tolkien usually applied the same terms both to the ruling family and to its followers when talking about any "House of". For example, in this case the "folk of Marach" was later known as the "House of Hador" (WJ:234). About the article name, the wiki uses the term that is mainly known to the readers. --LorenzoCB 17:48, 29 March 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Although I agree with the use of "folk of Marach" when addressing the culture and the people of that group of Edain, the term "House" in the legendarium always refers to a specific family and is not assigned to the general people who followed the family. Therefore, I believe that it is more appropriate to assign the term "Third House of the Edain" to all members of the "House of Hador" that predated Hador with a note addressing the fact that the term "House of Hador" only applied to those of the family from Hador's generation and beyond.--Tolkienator (talk) 19:28, 10 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Tallest save the Elves ?

Someone could tell me where we can find a source for this : "They were marked as being the tallest men inhabitants of Beleriand save the Elves" ?

For I've found the opposite in HOME 5 p276 (Quenta Silmarillion §130) : "They were of greater strength and stature in body than the Elves" and nothing to contradict. Beside, the Numenoreans are also taller than the Elves in the §3 of the 2nd and 3rd version of the Fall of Numenor (HOME 5 and HOM 9) : "$3. And in the wearing of time the people of Numenor grew great and glorious, in all things more like the Firstborn than any other races of Men that have been; yet less fair and wise than the Elves, though greater in stature." Erendis 09:21, 8 May 2022 (UTC)ErendisReply[reply]