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::No. I think it's fanon. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 11:04, 29 September 2013 (UTC) | ::No. I think it's fanon. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 11:04, 29 September 2013 (UTC) | ||
:In that case, should explicit references to Durin IV as the King during the Last Alliance be removed from the respective articles?[[User:Corsair Caruso|Corsair Caruso]] 14:06, 29 September 2013 (UTC) | :::In that case, should explicit references to Durin IV as the King during the Last Alliance be removed from the respective articles?[[User:Corsair Caruso|Corsair Caruso]] 14:06, 29 September 2013 (UTC) | ||
::::Yes. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 14:11, 29 September 2013 (UTC) |
Revision as of 14:11, 29 September 2013
Rearrangement
I think much of this article could be merged with Khazad-dûm, and only the following essentials be left/mentioned here:
- Start with "the main article is at Kh-D"
- Intro
- Use of the term (after Durin's Bane)
- By Dwarves (did Khuzdul have a term for it? Balin's tomb calls it Kh-D, but Moria in Westron).
- In "Westron" (same as above:to what degree did Westron speakers refer to it, rather than translations?
- Appearance on the Doors of Durin: I've seen the following theories (doors pre-date name!)
- Error by JRRT?
- Emendation by Gandalf as he red up the text?
- Emendation by Frodo, who did not know Khuzdul?
- Emendation by some later Gondorian scribe (Findegil?) because the term Kh-D wasn't used in Gondor?
- Very unlikely: someone changed the writing on the doors
- mention the different translations:
- Black Gulf (Return o/t shadow?)
- Black Pit (?)
- Black Chasm (Etym?)
- Inspiration of the name: somewhere in the Letters, JRRT mentions Soria Moria Castle. Perhaps with a "History of the name", first mentioned in The Hobbit
- a see also: Moria (computer game)
I'd love to do this myself, but I lack time at the moment. Maybe any of the Dwarf lovers here would like to do it? -- Ederchil 14:01, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
- I've noticed here and in other articles on Tolkien Gateway that Durin IV is given as the King of Khazad-Dum during the War of the Last Alliance. Is there citation in-canon for that? I've only ever seen approximate dates given for the reigns of Durin III and VI (of the Longbeard rulers who took the name Durin). Corsair Caruso 17:29, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
- In that case, should explicit references to Durin IV as the King during the Last Alliance be removed from the respective articles?Corsair Caruso 14:06, 29 September 2013 (UTC)