Talk:Moria

Rearrangement

I think much of this article could be merged with Khazad-dûm, and only the following essentials be left/mentioned here:

• Start with "the main article is at Kh-D"
• Intro
• Use of the term (after Durin's Bane)
  • By Dwarves (did Khuzdul have a term for it? Balin's tomb calls it Kh-D, but Moria in Westron).
  • In "Westron" (same as above:to what degree did Westron speakers refer to it, rather than translations?
  • Appearance on the Doors of Durin: I've seen the following theories (doors pre-date name!)
    • Error by JRRT?
    • Emendation by Gandalf as he red up the text?
    • Emendation by Frodo, who did not know Khuzdul?
    • Emendation by some later Gondorian scribe (Findegil?) because the term Kh-D wasn't used in Gondor?
    • Very unlikely: someone changed the writing on the doors
• mention the different translations:
  • Black Gulf (Return o/t shadow?)
  • Black Pit (?)
  • Black Chasm (Etym?)
• Inspiration of the name: somewhere in the Letters, JRRT mentions Soria Moria Castle. Perhaps with a "History of the name", first mentioned in The Hobbit
• a see also: Moria (computer game)

I'd love to do this myself, but I lack time at the moment. Maybe any of the Dwarf lovers here would like to do it? -- Ederchil 14:01, 15 April 2008 (EDT)

I've noticed here and in other articles on Tolkien Gateway that Durin IV is given as the King of Khazad-Dum during the War of the Last Alliance. Is there citation in-canon for that? I've only ever seen approximate dates given for the reigns of Durin III and VI (of the Longbeard rulers who took the name Durin). Corsair Caruso 17:29, 27 September 2013 (UTC)