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Very nice Narfil. Now if we could get a template for this article we're set. --[[User:Dwarf Lord|Dwarf Lord]] 14:16, 22 October 2006 (CDT) | Very nice Narfil. Now if we could get a template for this article we're set. --[[User:Dwarf Lord|Dwarf Lord]] 14:16, 22 October 2006 (CDT) | ||
Maybe we should change the name to either the Battle of Mirkwood or the Wilderland Campaign. --[[User:Dwarf Lord|Dwarf Lord]] 16:24, 6 March 2007 (EST) | Maybe we should change the name to either the Battle of Mirkwood, which would just talk about Thranduil's battle, or the Wilderland Campaign. --[[User:Dwarf Lord|Dwarf Lord]] 16:24, 6 March 2007 (EST) | ||
:The information is limited enough that we probably shouldn't divide it up too much. We should have an article on the campaign as a whole, in my opinion, though I'm fine with creating articles on the individual battles. | |||
:Something I just though of (that may be completely off-topic). I wonder how the [[Easterlings]] felt, coming out of the (presumably) warm plains of [[Rhûn]] to the harsh cold mountains of [[Lonely Mountain|Erebor]]? Cold? Or is there a record that they had been raiding that area previous to that time? I know they came as far as [[Rohan]]. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 18:54, 6 March 2007 (EST) | |||
Well then I think we should rename it the War in the North, since Rhovanion sometimes is refered to the old kingdom founded by North-men. | |||
I do know that the Easterlings frequently were at war with the kingdom of Dale at its eastern border (the river Carnen) .--[[User:Dwarf Lord|Dwarf Lord]] 21:11, 6 March 2007 (EST) | |||
==Aftermath== | |||
In the aftermath-section, there's a mention of the "what could've happened"-thing Gandalf said. But wasn't he referencing the [[Battle of Dale]], thus the Men and the Dwarves, rather than the Elves? -- [[User:Ederchil|Ederchil]] 14:55, 11 March 2008 (EDT) | |||
:You're quite correct, Ed. The whole quote runs: ''"When you think of the great Battle of the Pelennor, do not forget the battles in Dale and the valour of Durin's Folk. Think of what might have been. Dragon-fire and savage swords in Eriador, night in Rivendell."'' ~ [[User:Earendilyon|Earendilyon]] 15:28, 11 March 2008 (EDT) | |||
==Title again== | |||
Isn't there anything better? "Northern Theatre of the War of the Ring"? "War in the North"? Or even just "Rhovanion Campaign"? There's really no need for that (IMHO) ugly disambiguation. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 20:44, 10 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
:On second thought, as this is basically just a collection of clustered sentences, why don't we just merge this with [[War of the Ring]] proper? We can make sections in that, "Northern theatre" and "Southern theatre". -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 20:46, 10 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
::Just discovered this page, more than a year after your comment. I'd say that your proposal is sound. PS: this English language has strange ways of using words like "theatre". [[User:Sage|Sage]] 15:42, 20 September 2010 (UTC) | |||
:::I concur with your suggestion, Ederchil: this article is a mish-mash of collected northern battles - it is certainly not one battle, nor a separate war. I wouldn't recommend using "theatre", though! --{{User:Mith/sig}} 14:32, 7 February 2011 (UTC) | |||
::::From [http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/theater Wiktionary]: | |||
# A region where a particular action takes place; a specific field of action, usually with reference to war. | |||
#: ''His grandfather was in the Pacific '''theater''' during the war.'' | |||
::::I'm not sure if it's a common sense of the word in British English. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 14:46, 7 February 2011 (UTC) | |||
:::::I'm aware of the meaning I've just ''never'' come across it used as such; when used in military contexts I think it's usually used as part of the phrase "theatre of war" or "theatre of operations" but not by itself. But, like I said, I wouldn't recommend it as I don't think many people would be aware of that meaning of the word. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 15:34, 7 February 2011 (UTC) | |||
::::::Since we all seem to agree this page should go, if you will allow me, I will move the page to War of the Ring, and create new pages for the Battle Northern Mirkwood, and the Assaults on Lórien. What say y'all? --[[User:Dwarf Lord|Dwarf Lord]] 21:29, 24 March 2011 (UTC) | |||
:::::::Agreed.--{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 22:03, 24 March 2011 (UTC) | |||
::::::::Somebody please sort this out. It's driving me potty. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 18:24, 19 June 2011 (UTC) | |||
:::::::::Agree. --[[User:Amroth|Amroth]] 18:27, 19 June 2011 (UTC) | |||
::::::::::Merge with WotR? -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 22:46, 19 June 2011 (UTC) | |||
:::::::::::Please! --{{User:Mith/sig}} 16:12, 21 June 2011 (UTC) |
Latest revision as of 17:00, 16 June 2012
This article needs a new title. It is more of a campaign than a single battle, otherwise we could do Battle of Mirkwood (if there is more than one Battle of Mirkwood (WotR)) and Battle of Lothlórien. Several ideas: Dol Guldur Campaign (WotR) or Rhovanion Campaign. More comments later. --Narfil Palùrfalas 12:54, 12 October 2006 (EDT)
- I like Battle of Mirkwood and the Lothlorien ones, and the Dol Guldur Campaign would be good for the wotr template, if that's what you were refering to? --Dwarf Lord 13:09, 12 October 2006 (EDT)
- As an article title, I'd be inclined to go with something like "The Battles of Mirkwood" or "The War in Mirkwood". --Ted C 13:40, 12 October 2006 (EDT)
- Except that this includes battles in Lothlórien and the second siege of Dol Guldur. I think I like Rhovanion Campaign (WotR).--Narfil Palùrfalas 14:05, 12 October 2006 (EDT)
Very nice Narfil. Now if we could get a template for this article we're set. --Dwarf Lord 14:16, 22 October 2006 (CDT)
Maybe we should change the name to either the Battle of Mirkwood, which would just talk about Thranduil's battle, or the Wilderland Campaign. --Dwarf Lord 16:24, 6 March 2007 (EST)
- The information is limited enough that we probably shouldn't divide it up too much. We should have an article on the campaign as a whole, in my opinion, though I'm fine with creating articles on the individual battles.
- Something I just though of (that may be completely off-topic). I wonder how the Easterlings felt, coming out of the (presumably) warm plains of Rhûn to the harsh cold mountains of Erebor? Cold? Or is there a record that they had been raiding that area previous to that time? I know they came as far as Rohan. --Narfil Palùrfalas 18:54, 6 March 2007 (EST)
Well then I think we should rename it the War in the North, since Rhovanion sometimes is refered to the old kingdom founded by North-men.
I do know that the Easterlings frequently were at war with the kingdom of Dale at its eastern border (the river Carnen) .--Dwarf Lord 21:11, 6 March 2007 (EST)
Aftermath[edit source]
In the aftermath-section, there's a mention of the "what could've happened"-thing Gandalf said. But wasn't he referencing the Battle of Dale, thus the Men and the Dwarves, rather than the Elves? -- Ederchil 14:55, 11 March 2008 (EDT)
- You're quite correct, Ed. The whole quote runs: "When you think of the great Battle of the Pelennor, do not forget the battles in Dale and the valour of Durin's Folk. Think of what might have been. Dragon-fire and savage swords in Eriador, night in Rivendell." ~ Earendilyon 15:28, 11 March 2008 (EDT)
Title again[edit source]
Isn't there anything better? "Northern Theatre of the War of the Ring"? "War in the North"? Or even just "Rhovanion Campaign"? There's really no need for that (IMHO) ugly disambiguation. -- Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 20:44, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
- On second thought, as this is basically just a collection of clustered sentences, why don't we just merge this with War of the Ring proper? We can make sections in that, "Northern theatre" and "Southern theatre". -- Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 20:46, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
- Just discovered this page, more than a year after your comment. I'd say that your proposal is sound. PS: this English language has strange ways of using words like "theatre". Sage 15:42, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
- From Wiktionary:
- A region where a particular action takes place; a specific field of action, usually with reference to war.
- His grandfather was in the Pacific theater during the war.
- I'm aware of the meaning I've just never come across it used as such; when used in military contexts I think it's usually used as part of the phrase "theatre of war" or "theatre of operations" but not by itself. But, like I said, I wouldn't recommend it as I don't think many people would be aware of that meaning of the word. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 15:34, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
- Since we all seem to agree this page should go, if you will allow me, I will move the page to War of the Ring, and create new pages for the Battle Northern Mirkwood, and the Assaults on Lórien. What say y'all? --Dwarf Lord 21:29, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
- Agreed.-- KingAragorn talk contribs edits email 22:03, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
- Agree. --Amroth 18:27, 19 June 2011 (UTC)