Talk:Twelve houses of the Gondothlim

I just noticed that in the Gondolin article in Wikipedia they have a table of the Seven Houses of the Gondothlim (I took my information directly from the book). Would it be possible to create something like that, perhaps a bit more elaborate? --Narfil Palùrfalas 14:24, 1 June 2006 (EDT)

It's possible, of course: just a bit of copying and pasting. But is it necessary? We've already this article with the links to the seperate Houses. I think the info on the Houses should be in their own articles, not here. You could add maybe some more general info on the Houses here, if there's any. --Earendilyon 16:44, 1 June 2006 (EDT)

Terminology

We are using "Gondothlim" and "Gondolindrim" interchangeably. We should pick one and stick with it. I personally prefer "Gondolindrim" as I think that's what most people would use. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 15:57, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

Indeed, I'm working on all the articles of the Houses so they are all consistent, but it takes time. I moved this to "Gondothlim" because "Houses of the Gondolindrim" is never mentioned by Tolkien, as the concept was never used beyond TBOLT. If people use other term is because headcanon; TG has a lot of it on the matter of Gondolin, mixing all the stages of the Legendarium (see the Ecthelion article I cleaned up recently). Thanks for adding the copyright template to the emblems I uploaded, I wasn't sure which one had to be included. --LorenzoCB 20:13, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

OK, but no normal person - no matter how well versed in Tolkien - would use the term "Twelve Houses of the Gondothlim" as that isn't helped. Also, Tolkien used Gondolindrim at the same time and this is more well-known. Also worth noting I don't think "Twelve Houses of..." with capitals is a proper term used by Tolkien; the only reference I can find is one without capitals which means the entire concept is "headcanon" as you put it. I think it's much safer to stick with "Houses of Gondolin" or similar as this also avoids the issues of whether there were eleven or twelve. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 06:28, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

No, Tolkien didn't use Gondothlim and Gondolindrim at the same time, one is Gnomish and the other is Sindarin, they are separed by decades of development. I agree that 'Houses of Gondolin' sounds like a good middle term, but I think it would be more practical to build on the basis this is a concept from the Lost Tales and then explain the possible developments in the later Legendarium, that are just a few conjectures, as can be read in what I just added in OVOTL. So, the article name 'of the Gondothlim' is a good way to point out this basis and teach people about. The Tale clarily says the were eleven and became twelve; it is true that the capitals do not belong to the Tale, but isn't it a justified stylistic choice? At least for the article names, as I try to write them uncapitalized in the History sections. --LorenzoCB 08:29, 9 June 2020 (UTC)