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== valimar ==
== Just a doubt  ==


Hi Hyarion, I'm one of the Founders & Bureaucrats of [http://wiki.valimar.ir/index.php?title=%D8%B5%D9%81%D8%AD%D9%87%D9%94_%D8%A7%D8%B5%D9%84%DB%8C valimar] (and also one of [http://fa.wikipedia.org/wiki/%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%A8%D8%B1:PHoBiA the admins] in [http://fa.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%B5%D9%81%D8%AD%D9%87%D9%94_%D8%A7%D8%B5%D9%84%DB%8C Persian Wikipedia]). I'm glad that you setup us as your sister-site. I'll setup reciprocal links to TG articles as soon as possible. Best Regards -- [[User:PHoBiA|PHoBiA]] 19:41, 27 March 2011 (UTC)  
Hi Hyarion<br>
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I had a simple doubt<br>
Can we copy an entire page created by someone else and just put our name on it?<br>
I know it sounds a bit ridiculous but i have to clear this.<br>
Thanks.<br>
--[[User:Shivam|Shivam]] <font size="2" face="calibri"><span style="color:red">([[User talk:Shivam|Talk ]]/[[Special:Contributions/Shivam|Contribs]]/[[Special:Editcount/Shivam|Edits]])</span></font> 03:28, 13 March 2023 (UTC)


== Missing Gandalf edit in recent changes ==
:Hi Shivam! I'm not sure the context of your question, if you're referring to copying a page from Tolkien Gateway, or to Tolkien Gateway, but either way the answer would be a definite no. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] ([[User talk:Hyarion|talk]]) 03:33, 13 March 2023 (UTC)


The database seems to have behaved strangely when I edited [[Gandalf]]. I removed the occurrences of the word "human" from the article, and couldn't load the page. However, looking in the article history, my edit is there, but it doesn't appear in "Recent changes". And strangely enough, a search for "human" on TG still yields the article "Gandalf", although the word "human" cannot be found (any longer) in the article. Maybe the issue will disappear once the database reloads or refreshes! :-)  --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 23:11, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
::I mean say you created a page on Tolkien Gateway and I copied it entirely and put my name on it and shared it's link on my user page.(Just an example, I won't do such thing). --[[User:Shivam|Shivam]] <font size="2" face="calibri"><span style="color:red">([[User talk:Shivam|Talk ]]/[[Special:Contributions/Shivam|Contribs]]/[[Special:Editcount/Shivam|Edits]])</span></font> 11:00, 13 March 2023 (UTC)


::While you're at it, another strange page is the [[Portal:Locations/Category tree]]. This page, which has been changed to a redirect, still seems to carry an imprint in the database somehow. E.g., searching on "human" on TG makes "Portal:Locations/Category Tree" show up. --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 23:28, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
:::No, that sounds a bit unethical. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] ([[User talk:Hyarion|talk]]) 01:36, 14 March 2023 (UTC)


== what is a Tolkien Mile ? ==
::::Well something like that has happened to me. Although i haven't created many pages, actually just one, so someone copied it entirely and put their name on it. Is there anything i should do?.--[[User:Shivam|Shivam]] <font size="2" face="calibri"><span style="color:red">([[User talk:Shivam|Talk ]]/[[Special:Contributions/Shivam|Contribs]]/[[Special:Editcount/Shivam|Edits]])</span></font> 01:57, 14 March 2023 (UTC)


It seems to me that there is something wrong with using a standard (english) mile for Tolkiens Maps.  The result is a Middle Earth which is too small. Tolkien used a lot of History and Myth from other parts of Northern Europe. Could Tolkiens Mile actually be the 'Irish' mile which was used by the English in Ireland for centuries. I will get more detail if needed but I think 1 'irish' mile is equal to 1.27 'english' miles. If this were the case Middle Earth would be 27% greater in size which would be an improvement as there are a number of references to distance which only make sense if the 'english' mile is increased substantially.  The 'swedish' mile is equal to 6 'english' miles which is too big. {{unsigned|Nuadamor}}<small> (00:01, 22 May 2011).</small>
:::::Can you provide more context? Thanks! --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] ([[User talk:Hyarion|talk]]) 12:32, 15 March 2023 (UTC)


:If I remember correctly he used a fictional mile, the Númenorean mile. I don't remember how big that is (but I think it was, the Númenorean feet at least was), but I think it can be found at [[Unfinished Tales]]. --[[User:Amroth|Amroth]] 14:29, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
::::::I solved it, thanks.--[[User:Shivam|Shivam]] <font size="2" face="calibri"><span style="color:red">([[User talk:Shivam|Talk ]]/[[Special:Contributions/Shivam|Contribs]]/[[Special:Editcount/Shivam|Edits]])</span></font> 11:40, 23 March 2023 (UTC)


::At Oxonmoot some years ago [[Alex Lewis]] actually gave a talk saying he thought that the scale of the maps was incorrect (sadly, I can't remember by how much, or indeed, in which direction). The Númenóreans had the ''[[lár]]'' which was very slightly shorter than our league (three miles); there is no indication that Tolkien intended to use anything other than the English statute mile (defined in law since 1592) in the maps.
== Concerning article cleanup ==


::(I should point out, there is the "Old English mile" which was variously longer than the statute mile - about 1.3 statute miles - but why would Tolkien logically use a different measure?) --{{User:Mith/sig}} 10:55, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
Hi! I've been cleaning up some articles lately that have had headings like "Plot" or "Synopsis." Should I be putting these as sub-headings under a "History" heading?
[[User:BrandonEchols|BrandonEchols]] ([[User talk:BrandonEchols|talk]]) 00:34, 12 April 2023 (UTC)


:::Tolkien’s discussion of the [[Lár|Númenórean league]] refered to by Amroth can be found in the appendix ‘Númenórean linear measures’ in {{UT|Gladden}} - it is 5000 [[ranga]]r of about 38 (imperial) inches, and therefor nearly equal to one statute league of 5280 yards (= three statute miles). It seems this can be taken as evidence that, certainly around the time of the revision of [[The Lord of the Rings]], Tolkien was regarding distances in his [[legendarium]] as described (approximately) in statute leagues and miles.
:Hi Brandon! It's so great to have you on the team! Great question, if we use [[Hordes of the Things]] as an example, I think the "History" section could likely be eliminated. Pretty much everything about the subject will be considered "history", so the heading, at least to me, seems a little redundant. What are your thoughts though? --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] ([[User talk:Hyarion|talk]]) 01:03, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
:::However, in {{HM|RC}}, (on pp. 22-23 in the 2005 hardbound edition), Tolkien’s notes on two attempts at devising a Hobbit system of linear measures can be found. In one of these attempts he arrives as longest measure at a ‘long mile, or gait mile’, or ‘yong-mile or longmile’ of 2,304 imperial yards. That is certainly very nearly equal to 1.3 statute miles, and so these attempts may be related to the ‘Old English mile’ mentioned by Mith. (There is also a ‘(short) mile, or pace-mile’ of half this length, 1,152 imperial yards.)
:::But in the other attempt he arrives at a different type of mile, namely one of 1,600 imperial yards, thus being somewhat shorter than the statute mile. And it is only in this attempt that the term ‘league’ is mentioned as containing 3 of these miles. That is in my opinion an obstacle to any supposition that a ‘long’ or ‘Old English’ mile could have been intended in the text of The Lord of the Rings. In fact, all linear measures used in that work are such as were in normal use in the imperial system when Tolkien grew up: inch, foot, ell, fathom, furlong, mile and league; and of these only foot, mile and league turn up in his attempts at a Hobbit system of measures.
:::And finally, I have never found any reason to consider Tolkien’s Middle-earth as mapped too small. I would be interested in knowing why [[Alex Lewis]] thinks so (or at least thought so a couple of years ago). In fact had Mith said so a week earlier, I would have asked Alex, since I had ample opportunity to discuss it with him over the last weekend. — [[User:Mithrennaith|Mithrennaith]] 04:39, 27 May 2011 (UTC)


::::I would have been unable to posts that had not yet been made! --{{User:Mith/sig}} 17:38, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
::I think that there needs to be a heading over the sub-headings, and that ''could'' be "History," but it could be something else. I, personally, think that "History" works just fine, as it ''does'' all realate to history, but what do you think? There ''could'' be just sub-headings, but that might look weird... --[[User:BrandonEchols|BrandonEchols]] ([[User talk:BrandonEchols|talk]]) 01:45, 12 April 2023 (UTC)


:::::Well, of course! I was trying to imply that I wished Nuadamor had posed his question earlier, and you had then replied as promptly as you in fact did, but I got a bit convoluted and cut too much from my sentence. [[User:Mithrennaith|Mithrennaith]] 04:17, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
:::Ah yes, I agree about sub-headings needing a heading. I meant I would be okay with those sub-headings being converted to headings. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] ([[User talk:Hyarion|talk]]) 02:30, 12 April 2023 (UTC)


== TG is a thoroughly enjoyable read! ==
::::I agree. I think it ''would'' be fine, but in the [[Tolkien Gateway:Manual of Style|Manual of Style]] it shows that only the following headings can be used: '''History, Legacy, Etymology, Other names, Genealogy, Other versions of the legendarium, Inspiration, Portrayal in adaptations, See also, Notes, External links, References,''' and '''Further reading.''' The manual of style could be updated, we could come up with another heading that can be used in all of these situations so there's a ''general way of doing it'', or we could just convert those to regular headings. What's your opinion? --[[User:BrandonEchols|BrandonEchols]] ([[User talk:BrandonEchols|talk]]) 02:37, 12 April 2023 (UTC)


Hyarion, just wanted to say that this is an excellent Tolkien site and it has been a pleasure to read some of the articles I have come across so far. I can see that a great deal of time and effort has gone into making the site what it is today, a professional-looking, informative and well-built engine of encyclopaedic Tolkien knowledge. I have even been inspired for my own wiki (not Tolkien related) by the way articles and templates have been put together. The skin is amazing too; wish I had something unique instead of the plain vector skin.
:::::Hm, I think the Manual of Style just says "typically", so it's not an absolute requirement (if you see phrasing that's more strict, definitely let me know). Those headings are primarily intended for in-universe characters, locations, etc. so it's perfectly fine if ''Hordes of the Things'' deviates from that. It's difficult to list all the possible top-level headings, so I usually will check some articles on similar subjects to see what the consensus seems to be and go from there. I agree though, expanding the policy so everyone doesn't have to wing it isn't a bad idea, I just want to avoid having a policy that is 1,000 pages long :) --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] ([[User talk:Hyarion|talk]]) 03:26, 12 April 2023 (UTC)


Do keep up the good work. [[User:Kerchi|Kerchi]] 10:13, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
::::::I think that it's a good idea to add a few new heading options to the [[Tolkien Gateway:Manual of Style|Manual of Style]]. I'm not sure if it's possible but, because I'm working on cleaning up a big portion of the articles, I could add new heading "defaults" to the Manual of Style as needed. That is, if I'm able to get editing permission. Obviously, I wouldn't abuse this power. There are definitely a lot of possibilities for this, but I would just add the "primary" ones. i.e. Plot, Production, Bibliography, and any other main ones I come upon. I definitely agree that we shouldn't have a 1,000 page long policy, though! :D Is this possible? --[[User:BrandonEchols|BrandonEchols]] ([[User talk:BrandonEchols|talk]]) 03:32, 12 April 2023 (UTC)


:Hi Kerchi, thanks so much for your compliments! It's in feedback like yours which makes it all worth it. We look forward to seeing you around. If you have any questions or suggestions feel free to let me know. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 22:02, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
==Lorenzo's user talk==
::You're welcome. I can see that quality has been an important driving force for those who have put this site together and believe me I know how difficult it can be what with running my own wiki, so I intend to keep having a look around and read a few more articles. --[[User:Kerchi|<span style="color:#183a55">'''Kerchi'''</span>]]&nbsp;&nbsp;<small><sup>[[User talk:Kerchi|<span style="color:#aaaaaa">'''talk'''</span>]]&nbsp;|&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Kerchi|<span style="color:#aaaaaa">'''contribs'''</span>]]&nbsp;|&nbsp;[[Special:Editcount/Kerchi/Edits|<span style="color:#aaaaaa">'''edits'''</span>]]</sup></small> 22:54, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
I have seen that you deleted the new LorenzoCB talk page, I need that page to communicate with him. Excessive Vandalism made him protect that page, so only admins can edit it. I'm not an admin, and neither are three quarters of the people on TG, and when we need to contact him we would not be able to. That is why I made that page and would like to keep it so we Gatekeepers can contact him--[[User:Tformer|Tformer]] ([[User talk:Tformer|talk]]) 19:23, 17 May 2023 (UTC)


== Dictionary-style searches ==
== Few Doubts ==


Being able to search for the English translation of a specific Elvish word (or in any other invented language) would be very useful! Would it be difficult to implement something like this?
Do we have the right to use soundtracks of The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings series?<br>
What is the sequence of layout of a page, I mean what's the correct order of writing History, Etymology, Genealogy, References, Other Versions, etc?--[[User:Shivam|Shivam]] <font size="2" face="calibri"><span style="color:red">([[User talk:Shivam|Talk ]]/[[Special:Contributions/Shivam|Contribs]]/[[Special:Editcount/Shivam|Edits]])</span></font> 07:22, 24 May 2023 (UTC)


To exemplify: let's say I wanted to know if Tolkien invented some word for "alphabet". I just type "alphabet" in a search box, which would take me to a "disambig" article suggesting me to read either an article on Noldorin ''tiwdi'' or on Quenya ''tengwanda''.
:Great questions! We don't have any kind of official approval for use of soundtracks, but depending on what the specific scenario is, we can usually use something in a limited capacity under the [https://www.copyright.gov/fair-use/ fair use doctrine]. I would say the [[Tolkien_Gateway:Manual_of_Style#Article_layout]] looks to be pretty accurate. We usually have the references at the bottom. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] ([[User talk:Hyarion|talk]]) 13:40, 24 May 2023 (UTC)


Perhaps we can implement this in the current "disambiguation" system (but we would get a huge amount of disambig articles, though!)?
::Great, thanks a lot.--[[User:Shivam|Shivam]] <font size="2" face="calibri"><span style="color:red">([[User talk:Shivam|Talk ]]/[[Special:Contributions/Shivam|Contribs]]/[[Special:Editcount/Shivam|Edits]])</span></font> 13:57, 24 May 2023 (UTC)


--[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 11:40, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
== Testing Notification System ==


:Sounds like a good idea. Maybe it should get an own namespace, so there won't be too much disambigs. --[[User:Amroth|Amroth]] 11:48, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
Hi [[User:LorenzoCB]], this is just a test. I have configured the [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Echo Echo Extension] for MediaWiki, which adds a notification bell in the top right. In theory if I link your username and add my signature to this message you should get a notification. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] ([[User talk:Hyarion|talk]]) 05:29, 27 May 2023 (UTC)


::Maybe something to discuss in a meeting?--[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 12:20, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
:Roget that. --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] ([[User talk:LorenzoCB|talk]]) 09:26, 27 May 2023 (UTC)


::This could be a nice basis for a Portal:Languages, don't you think?
== Regarding The Atlas of Middle Earth ==


::I'm also thinking that if we add an alphabetically-based category to all invented words, we would have both an English-Elvish(et al) and an Elvish(et al)-English list of words. Another solution could perhaps be to have a certain namespace, like "Dictionary Index:A", "Dictionary Index:B", etc, as a complement to the current Index namespace.--[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 12:31, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
Can we upload maps and depictions from The Atlas of Middle Earth? [[User:Shivam|Shivam]] <font size="2" face="calibri"><span style="color:red">([[User talk:Shivam|Talk ]]/[[Special:Contributions/Shivam|Contribs]]/[[Special:Editcount/Shivam|Edits]])</span></font> 12:59, 21 June 2023 (UTC)


:::Noting old discussion: [[Forum:Elvish-English and English-Elvish entries]] --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 21:58, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
?--[[User:Shivam|Shivam]] <font size="2" face="calibri"><span style="color:red">([[User talk:Shivam|Talk ]]/[[Special:Contributions/Shivam|Contribs]]/[[Special:Editcount/Shivam|Edits]])</span></font> 13:46, 3 July 2023 (UTC)


== Start article name with lower-case letters? ==
:No, we don't have the permission to use them. I think we have a couple of those maps but we better keep them as exceptions. What do you need? [[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] ([[User talk:LorenzoCB|talk]]) 13:57, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
::The one showing the Circles of the World in the Foreword before the Introduction. [[User:Shivam|Shivam]] <font size="2" face="calibri"><span style="color:red">([[User talk:Shivam|Talk ]]/[[Special:Contributions/Shivam|Contribs]]/[[Special:Editcount/Shivam|Edits]])</span></font> 04:39, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
:::You refer to something like [[:File:Sage_-_Evolution_of_Arda.jpg|this]]? Actually we have some drawings by Tolkien himself concerning [[Ambarkanta]] (see [[Ambarkanta maps]]). But note that this diagram by Fonstad is based on Ambarkanta and I think they aren't consistent to the very vague cosmology of the Silmarillion. [[User:Sage|Sage]] ([[User talk:Sage|talk]]) 06:28, 4 October 2023 (UTC)


Would it be possible to do a tech tweak in order to create article names with lower-case letters? IMHO, this would be great for the linguistic articles on words - a standard which also Wiktionary uses. --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 09:59, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
::::Yes, [[:File:Sage_-_Evolution_of_Arda.jpg|this]] one. The one given in The Atlas of Middle Earth look a bit better but this helps. Thanks.--[[User:Shivam|Shivam]] <font size="2" face="calibri"><span style="color:red">([[User talk:Shivam|Talk ]]/[[Special:Contributions/Shivam|Contribs]]/[[Special:Editcount/Shivam|Edits]])</span></font> 11:09, 8 October 2023 (UTC)


:All articles have to begin with a capital letter (that's a technical limitation which can't be changed). You can use DISPLAYTITLE in order to make it appear as if they begin with a lower-case letter, however (see this working in [[TG:Sandbox]] right now). --{{User:Mith/sig}} 10:13, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
== Rewriting pages ==


::Thanks, I'll bring it up at the meeting, to see if it's a good idea or not.--[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 11:09, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
Hey, I noticed there are headings above some articles saying that the page needs to be rewritten. I’d love to try and help, but I’m not really sure what that means. Is it just fixing grammatical errors and helping the overall clarity and cohesion, or does that tag also mean that there are incorrect facts in the page or something like that? I rewrote the [[Bilbo's Farewell Party|page about Bilbo’s party]] and removed the rewrite tag, but then I realized that, since I haven’t done this before, I might have done something wrong. I’d appreciate it if you could take a look at my edit and let me know if that was what was needed! It would be great :) [[User:Thingol|Thingol]] ([[User talk:Thingol|talk]]) 21:39, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
 
:::I tried the code DISPLAYTITLE in the article [[brand (word)]], and I noticed that you can also remove the bracketed word - is this preferable or not? --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 22:51, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
 
== Long articles ==
 
What is causing the problem with the "long" articles? It's impossible for me to save an edit on "Eriador". However, another long article, "J.R.R. Tolkien", causes no problems.--[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 09:49, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 
== Adding to List of Arda Encyclopedia ==
 
Hi Hyarion. I'm one of the  [http://wiki.valimar.ir Valimar] administrators. The Biggest Persian Encyclopedia about Arda and Tolkien. I want you to add us in the list of Arda Encyclopedia.(in this [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/List_of_Tolkien_Encyclopedias page]).
 
I have to say we are your sister site.
 
Best Regards.
 
:Welcome! No problem, your encyclopedia has been added to the list. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 01:26, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 
== Tolkien Gateway email addresses ==
 
Hi Hyarion! You promised to look into the prospect of Tolkien Gateway email addresses; has there been any progress? --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 15:18, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
 
:Hey KA! Yes, I think Google Apps (Free) is going to be our best option. It's halfway setup and the plan is to have it fully functional by the upcoming meeting. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]]
 
::Awesome! I look forward to it! :) --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 14:31, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
 
:::Is it done yet? --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 12:42, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 
::::Was I ignored? :( --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 22:31, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 
==TS permission==
Hi! I noticed that the Amon Hen articles carry the sentence "Reprinted by kind permission of The Tolkien Society and the named cover artist(s) - all rights reserved." What exactly does this refer to? I'm pretty sure that cover images and a description of the contents goes under fair use for educational purposes in any country...? Can this "permission" be removed, or moved to a copyright page (as it looks kind of strange in the context of the individual articles)? --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 18:30, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 
:I believe the wording came from [[Andrew Butler]] who went to great lengths to make sure even the individual artists were okay with having their cover art displayed on the wiki. I'd agree though that the content most likely falls under fair use and a more minor notation would be suitable. I think some statement is worth having if only to illustrate the extra steps taken to consider the copyright holders. -- [[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]]
 
::Alright. I'll try to remember to bring the issue up at a meeting. Thanks for quick answer! --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 18:46, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 
== Numenor ==
 
Isn't [http://www.tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Athelas&oldid=186732 this] strange? This old version yields a redlink to "Númenor". --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 16:32, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
 
: And [http://www.tolkiengateway.net/wiki/N%C3%BAmen%CE%BFr this] is even more strange, while the [[Númenor|real article]] still exists. --[[User:Amroth|Amroth]] 20:17, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
 
::Hm, definitely must be the way the symbol is translated and encoded. I'll do some research. Good catch! --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 02:53, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
 
== Editing Rise of the Witch King Game Campaign Details ==
 
I want to edit campaign details for the ROTWK game.There is a mistake in the last sentence.It is Prince Earnur who destroyed the Witch King not King Arveleg I.Can i have the permission to change the name of the King?? --[[User:Antoinevlah|Antoinevlah]] 17:24, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
 
:If this is true, then please go ahead and edit the page.--{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 17:37, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
 
==On Battle of the Crossings of Poros==
 
I contacted you on this subject because you created the page and I was not able to create a discussion on it. This page is a complete copy from the page at http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/f/fordsofporos.html--[[Special:Contributions/108.11.228.65|108.11.228.65]] 15:08, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
 
:We know about the copies, we're working on correcting them. If you find any other, just let us know. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 16:31, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
 
:Thanks for catching that [[Special:Contributions/108.11.228.65|108.11.228.65]]. There are still a few articles out there which do not adhere to our current standards. We will rectify this specific article as soon as possible, and as Ederchil mentioned, if you happen to stumble upon any others just let someone know. Thanks for your help! --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 16:40, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
 
== Need Sumner Contact re: Bernie Zuber item ==
 
Sumner,
 
This is my second attempt to contact you through this website. And I'm not sure you are Hyarion -- but whoever is will know how to get this message to you.
 
I am Teny's friend Anita Farley who auctioned Bernie Zuber's collection after his death. My email address has changed, and I have lost yours in the process.
 
My new private email is: pippygpupp (at) charter (dot) net.
 
Please contact me. It is regarding a very rare item I still have from Bernie's collection.
 
Thank you,
Anita
 
:Hi Anita, I apologize as I'm afraid I will be of no help, I'm not sure who Sumner is. Sorry! --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 02:56, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
 
== Jeremy Bennett Helms Deep Art Misattributed ==
 
Hyarion,
You submitted artwork which is attributed to the wrong artist.  The Jeremy Bennett Helm's Deep file is actually artwork by Paul Lasaine.  See the links below:
[http://lasaineportfolio.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2007-11-13T21:57:00-08:00&max-results=7&start=21&by-date=false Paul Lasaine Helm's Deep]
[http://www.ebay.com/itm/LOTR-MASTER-WORKS-CONCEPT-ARTWORK-HELMS-DEEP-by-JEREMY-BENNETT-/250967454327 Jeremy Bennett Helm's Deep]
Note that Bennett's image has an encampment in the foreground.
 
Thought you should know so you can make the appropriate edits.
Sincerely,
[[User:Emlit|Emlit]] 03:40, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
 
== hey! ==
 
thanks for dropping a line, i was also just curious if you wanted me to work on anything in particular? preferably work from video games or appendices, but anything else at all is good too. except for the history of middle earth (for now) as i don't have that yet! just let me know and i will start off o your "mission"! Thanks!
 
[[User:Bigb131999|Bigb131999]] 02:53, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
 
== Images ==
 
Are all the images on [[Comic-Con 2006|here]] yours, or did you grab them from somewhere else? --{{User:Mith/sig}} 19:06, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
:Doesn't look like any of those were taken by me, I should probably add the fairuse template to it. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 05:56, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
 
== I agree ==
 
I entirely agree with using the Irish mile.  Also, Middle-earth is small, but there is so much else in [[Arda]].  [[Valinor]], there used to be [[Numenor]], and there are probably several other places as well, along the great ocean.  --[[User:Elvenshieldmaiden|Elvenshieldmaiden]] 22:57, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
 
== Could someone help me? ==
 
I am new here, and I would like help in creating a page for myself, about me. And I don't know how it works. How do you put in information about yourself, and how do you insert a picture of yourself? Please help me. {{unsigned|Aduilith}}
:Hi Aduilith! You can visit [http://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User:Aduilith&action=edit&redlink=1 User:Aduilith] to edit your user page. You can find some more frequently asked questions at [[Help:Contents]]. If you have any other questions just let us know; it's great to have you aboard! --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 05:59, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
 
== Nature in the Two Towers ==
 
doing an essay on nature in the two towers...any help would be much appreciated.. {{unsigned|Kimzimna}}
 
== Greeting new users  ==
 
I'm not sure that Mith is the best person to leave the initial greeting on new users' talk pages.  I saw the greeting on my talk page, which suggested that I bring any questions to him.  I did so, and his response was curt at best, rude at worst. 
 
After looking through the other entries in his talk page, I got the impression that this is pretty much par for the course with him. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, and assume he was having a bad day or something, but I don't think that this is the case. If he is determined to be laconic and/or borderline hostile, I think someone else should greet new users to the site.
 
If the status quo is maintained, we run the risk of scaring away the greater part of the people who join the site.  It creates the impression that new people are not really welcome here, and their contributions (and especially their questions) are unwanted. I assume that this is not the case.
[[User:WadCheber|WadCheber]] 04:36, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
 
:Well said WadCheber. I have responded over on [http://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AMith&action=historysubmit&diff=272376&oldid=272346 Mith's talk apge]. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 20:52, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
 
== Founder ==
Hyarion, I'm getting the feeling there leaders on this web and such, but no one has mentioned who the founder is. Of course u made the council forums, and Mith has his bot, which are both impossible feats of coding, but who started it? -Ignorant[[User:Arya|Arya]]
 
:Hi Arya :) I hope your week is going great! Good question. [[Tolkien Gateway:About]] provides some background on the history of the site. If you have any more questions just let me know and I would be happy to answer them. TG in itself is definitely an impossible feat for any individual and I think it just goes to show how powerful a community of passionate fans can be, yourself included. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 03:52, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
 
Thanks a ton Hyarion! Hope ur having an awesome summer or winter break (depending what hemisphere you're enjoying your vacation in) [[User:Arya|Arya]] 01:35, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
 
==Image Download==
Me again, Hi! I was wondering if you could download or tell me how to download Airyn's file (if it's okay with u). I believe it's a good representation of his travels, and there are no other images on that page so far. Still a newbie with the whole techy stuff, sorry! [[User:Arya|Arya]] 00:13, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
 
== Re-writes ==
 
When it lists things on the To-do list, like an article needs to be re-written because it does not meet the standards, how does one know what needs to be done?
 
Does it need to be longer?  Does it need more refs put in?
 
The only comment I saw on the Eöl page, for example, is the genealogy chart was too long for a relatively minor character. That's a small edit though not a re-write.
 
I really don't know how to start or what to add.  The information presented may be brief, but it is not incorrect. {{unsigned|Elf-esteem}}
 
:Hi Elf-esteem, it's great to have you aboard! In regards to [[Eöl]], I agree there should have been more information as to what actually needs to be rewritten. The History section is the primary culprit. Those paragraphs contain quite a bit of conjecture and lack proper citations. Thanks for joining the community and we look forward to having you around! --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 19:47, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
 
::Super!  I'll get on cleaning up ''The Silmarillion'' based Histroy summary with clear references to that book. He's an interesting, albeit shady, character and people should know more about him. --[[User:Elf-esteem|Elf-esteem]] 20:25, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
 
== Brooks Williams' All That Is Gold ==
 
This is for your music page somewhere.
Brooks Williams (the U.S.A. citizen, not the Canadian) is a fabulous folk guitarist.  On his album ''Back to Mercy'' (1992 http://www.brookswilliams.com/) he did a song called "All That Is Gold" (see track 2 at http://www.amazon.com/Back-To-Mercy-Brooks-Williams/dp/B004QEZC4A) which includes poetically reinterpreted lyrics from Tolkien:
 
''All that is gold does not glitter,
''All those who wander are not lost;
''All that is old does not wither,
''Deep roots are not touched by frost.
''From the ashes a fire shall be awoken,
''A light from the shadows shall spring....
 
You should definitely check it out--a beautiful song.[[User:Lockridgesatverizondotnet|Lockridgesatverizondotnet]] 21:08, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 
==Stuff I'm editing==
Okay, so I worked on [[Eöl]], but I think it needs an admin to look it over?  Same with [[Magic]], which was like... a lot (possibly too much!).  And now I have two pages I want to work on: Second Kinslaying ([[Second Kinslaying]]) and [[Thranduil]].
 
I'm happy to go back and fix whatever, but I just need some clear direction.  Or someone who knows "the vision" could just purge the extraneous.  IDC, honestly, people can cut out massive amounts of what I've written, and I won't cry about it.  I just want to help get things done.
 
Now for the Second Kinslaying page, the title needs to be changed to Second Kinslaying because it's a misnomer to call it the Sack of Doriath, as others mentioned on the Talk page for it.  With Thingol and Melian gone, The Battle of the Thousand Caves is the actual sack of Doriath because the Dwarves stole all the treasure, it literally, got sacked. Okay, so how do you change a page's title?  I guess it's kinda a big deal?  Everything about the Dwarves should be nixed on that page except for a transition sentence that will link to the Battle of the Thousand Caves/Sack of Doriath page.  Anything not mentioned in the "Battle" page will be copied and integrated from "Sack" to "Battle", that way good content is not lost.
 
I would like to do that!  The resulting Second Kinslaying page will end up being very brief, but it will at least be focused on just that topic. 
 
Ok, Thranduil's page, on the Talk it says there's too much extra stuff on there.  For example, some of it in the Early History can be moved to the Silvan Elves page.  I'd be fine with scooting it over there.  I could do this with kid gloves and just hide what was written without outright deleting it, if you want?  There was a post on Talk that taking out too much seemed to be a concern?
 
Anyway, I like to get in there and do stuff, and I'm not expecting a pat on the head with each edit.  But, I am concerned to keep pouring effort into pages without guidance.  If I'm doing it wrong, I need someone to tell me.  If silence is consent around here, I'll just keep going.  And do I have to use claim tags when I work on revising/re-writing pages?  I saw that on a talk page and I don't even know what that is.
 
I tried to get on IRC to ask someone these questions, but I guess it's offline. [[User:Elf-esteem|Elf-esteem]] 01:26, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
 
== [[Talk:The Hobbit (film series)]]/Mistakes  ==
 
look what I have written in [[Talk:The Hobbit (film series)]] about some mistakes.
 
Won't you say something about it;Won't you say your opinion;
 
== Mortals ==
 
During the council of elrond, when frodo declared that he would take the ring to mordor, master elrond said(quote): 'But if you take it freely, Iwill say that your choice is right; and though all the mightyElf-friends of old, Hador, and Hu´rin, and Tu´rin, and Berenhimself were assembled together, your seat should be amongthem.’
 
So who amongst mortal men is deemed the mightiest, or rather sacrificed and contributed the most for both the eldar and edain?
Personally I'd say Hurin.
 
== Voting for quotes ==
 
How do I vote for a nominated quote and how do I nominate one myself?
 
== Help! And hurry, not much time.... ==
 
I need pronunciation help for Silent Night in Grey Elven. I haven't the foggiest, so if you have a lot of time, please help!
All credit is duly given to Alfred W. Tueting for the translation.
 
Sedhel i fuin, aer i fuin,
Lostar pain, ereb tíril
In edhryn aer a i laes aer-guin
Dollen na ven or amar vín.
Eruchên, losto hi mae(r)!
Eruchên, losto hi mae(r)!
 
Sedhel i fuin, aer i fuin,
Tirnath lathrar hiniath-vaer dîn
Uin aerlinn 'ellui i linnen o chaw,
Egleriar i menel-hirth Eru vin-glaw,
Eru, ven berio uin Gûr!
Eru, ven berio uin Gûr!
 
== Getting news of new items on TG ==
 
Greetings!  I have been a fan of Tolkien's since 1977 and have followed the growth of this site over time and joined it today.  I look forward to contributing, but wanted to ask this: Is there an RSS newsfeed for this site to keep up with new articles or the stuff posted to the home page?  Lots of great things to keep up with.  I've subscribed to "recent changes" but that is overwhelming, which is great in the way of showing how active the site is, but hard for browsing.
 
At any rate, thanks for a great website,
 
Best regards,
Darrell Curtis
Baton Rouge, Louisiana, USA
 
:It's great to have you aboard Darrel! Good question, [http://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Special:NewPages&feed=rss this page] should do the trick. It's an RSS feed only for new pages. Looking forward to seeing you around in 2017. :)
 
== Translation to portuguese the Tolkien Gateway. ==
 
I'd like to know what must I do to translate the Tolkien Gateway to Portuguese-BR.If someone could tell me, please enter in touch at [email protected] I'd like to help.
 
:Hi Daniel! Thanks so much for stopping by, and apologies for the delayed response. The translated versions of the pages are hosted by sister sites of Tolkien Gateway. If there currently is not a Portuguese-BR Tolkien Wiki, then it would be great if you could start one. As a starting point, you might want to focus on editing Wikipedia's Tolkien-related articles prior to trying to start an entire wiki yourself.
 
== Long time since I have connected.... ==
 
I just discovered this site. I am on a number of fan wiki but this looks different. What is the need here? {unsigned|Bill Ames}}
 
 
:Hi Bill! It's great to have you aboard. We've accomplished a lot over the years, but we still have a long ways to go. There isn't a single article that is 100% perfect, so my recommendation would be think about what interests you the most when it comes to Tolkien, and focus on articles in that area. It can be a lot to take in at once, but feel free to let us know if you have any questions; thanks again for your help!
 
== Thank You! ==
 
Hi, Hyarion, I am a sort of new teenage tolkienite user from the U.S., and I just want to say thank you for making this site. It is excellent. I used it as a good amount of my research when I wrote my second quarter paper on Théoden last year and found it extremely helpful. Once again, ''thank you!'' -- [[User:Holdwine Meriadoc|Holdwine Meriadoc]] 18:55, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
 
:Hi Holdwine! Thank you so much for your kind words. I'm only one of thousands of volunteers but we really appreciate your feedback. We look forward to having you around, and hopefully some day a young "Tolkienite" will be thanking you for all your contributions. :) --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 21:02, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

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Just a doubt[edit source]

Hi Hyarion
I had a simple doubt
Can we copy an entire page created by someone else and just put our name on it?
I know it sounds a bit ridiculous but i have to clear this.
Thanks.
--Shivam (Talk /Contribs/Edits) 03:28, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi Shivam! I'm not sure the context of your question, if you're referring to copying a page from Tolkien Gateway, or to Tolkien Gateway, but either way the answer would be a definite no. --Hyarion (talk) 03:33, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I mean say you created a page on Tolkien Gateway and I copied it entirely and put my name on it and shared it's link on my user page.(Just an example, I won't do such thing). --Shivam (Talk /Contribs/Edits) 11:00, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
No, that sounds a bit unethical. --Hyarion (talk) 01:36, 14 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Well something like that has happened to me. Although i haven't created many pages, actually just one, so someone copied it entirely and put their name on it. Is there anything i should do?.--Shivam (Talk /Contribs/Edits) 01:57, 14 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Can you provide more context? Thanks! --Hyarion (talk) 12:32, 15 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I solved it, thanks.--Shivam (Talk /Contribs/Edits) 11:40, 23 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Concerning article cleanup[edit source]

Hi! I've been cleaning up some articles lately that have had headings like "Plot" or "Synopsis." Should I be putting these as sub-headings under a "History" heading? BrandonEchols (talk) 00:34, 12 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi Brandon! It's so great to have you on the team! Great question, if we use Hordes of the Things as an example, I think the "History" section could likely be eliminated. Pretty much everything about the subject will be considered "history", so the heading, at least to me, seems a little redundant. What are your thoughts though? --Hyarion (talk) 01:03, 12 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I think that there needs to be a heading over the sub-headings, and that could be "History," but it could be something else. I, personally, think that "History" works just fine, as it does all realate to history, but what do you think? There could be just sub-headings, but that might look weird... --BrandonEchols (talk) 01:45, 12 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Ah yes, I agree about sub-headings needing a heading. I meant I would be okay with those sub-headings being converted to headings. --Hyarion (talk) 02:30, 12 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I agree. I think it would be fine, but in the Manual of Style it shows that only the following headings can be used: History, Legacy, Etymology, Other names, Genealogy, Other versions of the legendarium, Inspiration, Portrayal in adaptations, See also, Notes, External links, References, and Further reading. The manual of style could be updated, we could come up with another heading that can be used in all of these situations so there's a general way of doing it, or we could just convert those to regular headings. What's your opinion? --BrandonEchols (talk) 02:37, 12 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hm, I think the Manual of Style just says "typically", so it's not an absolute requirement (if you see phrasing that's more strict, definitely let me know). Those headings are primarily intended for in-universe characters, locations, etc. so it's perfectly fine if Hordes of the Things deviates from that. It's difficult to list all the possible top-level headings, so I usually will check some articles on similar subjects to see what the consensus seems to be and go from there. I agree though, expanding the policy so everyone doesn't have to wing it isn't a bad idea, I just want to avoid having a policy that is 1,000 pages long :) --Hyarion (talk) 03:26, 12 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I think that it's a good idea to add a few new heading options to the Manual of Style. I'm not sure if it's possible but, because I'm working on cleaning up a big portion of the articles, I could add new heading "defaults" to the Manual of Style as needed. That is, if I'm able to get editing permission. Obviously, I wouldn't abuse this power. There are definitely a lot of possibilities for this, but I would just add the "primary" ones. i.e. Plot, Production, Bibliography, and any other main ones I come upon. I definitely agree that we shouldn't have a 1,000 page long policy, though! :D Is this possible? --BrandonEchols (talk) 03:32, 12 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Lorenzo's user talk[edit source]

I have seen that you deleted the new LorenzoCB talk page, I need that page to communicate with him. Excessive Vandalism made him protect that page, so only admins can edit it. I'm not an admin, and neither are three quarters of the people on TG, and when we need to contact him we would not be able to. That is why I made that page and would like to keep it so we Gatekeepers can contact him--Tformer (talk) 19:23, 17 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Few Doubts[edit source]

Do we have the right to use soundtracks of The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings series?
What is the sequence of layout of a page, I mean what's the correct order of writing History, Etymology, Genealogy, References, Other Versions, etc?--Shivam (Talk /Contribs/Edits) 07:22, 24 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Great questions! We don't have any kind of official approval for use of soundtracks, but depending on what the specific scenario is, we can usually use something in a limited capacity under the fair use doctrine. I would say the Tolkien_Gateway:Manual_of_Style#Article_layout looks to be pretty accurate. We usually have the references at the bottom. --Hyarion (talk) 13:40, 24 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Great, thanks a lot.--Shivam (Talk /Contribs/Edits) 13:57, 24 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Testing Notification System[edit source]

Hi User:LorenzoCB, this is just a test. I have configured the Echo Extension for MediaWiki, which adds a notification bell in the top right. In theory if I link your username and add my signature to this message you should get a notification. --Hyarion (talk) 05:29, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Roget that. --LorenzoCB (talk) 09:26, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Regarding The Atlas of Middle Earth[edit source]

Can we upload maps and depictions from The Atlas of Middle Earth? Shivam (Talk /Contribs/Edits) 12:59, 21 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

?--Shivam (Talk /Contribs/Edits) 13:46, 3 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

No, we don't have the permission to use them. I think we have a couple of those maps but we better keep them as exceptions. What do you need? LorenzoCB (talk) 13:57, 3 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The one showing the Circles of the World in the Foreword before the Introduction. Shivam (Talk /Contribs/Edits) 04:39, 4 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You refer to something like this? Actually we have some drawings by Tolkien himself concerning Ambarkanta (see Ambarkanta maps). But note that this diagram by Fonstad is based on Ambarkanta and I think they aren't consistent to the very vague cosmology of the Silmarillion. Sage (talk) 06:28, 4 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yes, this one. The one given in The Atlas of Middle Earth look a bit better but this helps. Thanks.--Shivam (Talk /Contribs/Edits) 11:09, 8 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Rewriting pages[edit source]

Hey, I noticed there are headings above some articles saying that the page needs to be rewritten. I’d love to try and help, but I’m not really sure what that means. Is it just fixing grammatical errors and helping the overall clarity and cohesion, or does that tag also mean that there are incorrect facts in the page or something like that? I rewrote the page about Bilbo’s party and removed the rewrite tag, but then I realized that, since I haven’t done this before, I might have done something wrong. I’d appreciate it if you could take a look at my edit and let me know if that was what was needed! It would be great :) Thingol (talk) 21:39, 19 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]