Talk:Míriel

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Latest comment: 30 September 2023 by Oberiko in topic Date conversion from NoME

Date of Death[edit source]

This article currently lists YT 1179 as the date of death, and although Morgoth's Ring is somewhat ambiguous as to Tolkien's final intent, it seems to suggest that YT 1170 is the correct death date (see pp. 92, 101 and 205). Any thoughts or opinions? --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 17:43, 13 December 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]

For comparison, Tolkiendil says 1179 but Ardapedia says 1170. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 17:49, 13 December 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Move[edit source]

Would a move to "Míriel" be acceptable? --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 20:06, 13 December 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I would agree to it. Listed as only "Míriel" in the HoMe Index. --Morgan 20:36, 13 December 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Date conversion from NoME[edit source]

Some interesting dates relating to Míriel are listed in The Nature of Middle-earth, but the dating scheme doesn't seem consistent to add them verbatim. How do we handle cases like this?

Finwë was born in Middle-earth some time before VY 1085 (when Oromë found the Quendi), say about 1050; in 1132 he was therefore already 82 [Valian] years old and wedded Míriel somewhere about 1150 when he was 18 [Valian] years older: sc., was about 100 [VY].[1]
Finwë must have been a later 6th-generation birth. Let Finwë be born in FA 772: 92 at the Finding, 298 at the March. He would have married about FA 1084. He already loved Míriel and postponed marriage till the end of the March.[2]
At the beginning of the March Ingwë would be 160, Finwë 112, and Elwë 106. Ingwë married about 2072 + 108 = FA 2180; his first child (Indis) was born in 2181 (so 51 at the March), his second in 2230, just before the March. Míriel, also in the 25th gen., was born about 2130?[3]

Oberiko (talk) 12:36, 30 September 2023 (UTC) Oberiko (talk) 12:36, 30 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  1. J.R.R. Tolkien, Carl F. Hostetter (ed.), The Nature of Middle-earth, "Part One. Time and Ageing: XI. Ageing of Elves", pg. 80
  2. J.R.R. Tolkien, Carl F. Hostetter (ed.), The Nature of Middle-earth, "Part One. Time and Ageing: XVII. Generational Schemes", pg. 122
  3. J.R.R. Tolkien, Carl F. Hostetter (ed.), The Nature of Middle-earth, "Part One. Time and Ageing: XVII. Generational Schemes", pg. 132