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Template talk:Noble House infobox

So this is the idea. I've never made an infobox, so this can be improved. I only lament we don't have better quality of the heraldic devices. The idea is that all look like the Feanor's. I'll wait for any opinion before using it. --LorenzoCB 16:17, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

The "leader" section is for titles of the leaders or when the founder is always the same leader, like in the Houses of the Gondolin.--LorenzoCB 16:24, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

I'm really not sure about this infobox, to be honest. I think for all uses of this infobox you can just use Template:People infobox. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 08:30, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
Bump.--Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 17:38, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
I admit that in some cases, like the Houses of the Gondothlim, the People infobox could be used, but appling People infobox to House of Fëanor or House of Húrin among others could be confusing, as they are houses within proper Peoples. What's the problem having an specific template for this? Also, this one differs a little from People infobox. --LorenzoCB 09:03, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
Well, it is certainly the case that in terms of the Gondolin houses they aren't noble houses (in that they are all related), so they really need to be People; I don't see how it can be confusing for people within people, which we've had before and it's not been an issue. It's an issue where the templates are too granular (and I know Wikipedia has had this issue), as it becomes a total nightmare to manage them, which is why my aim is basically to combine templates for simplicity. Some small modifications to the Peoples template can be made and it would cover this, to be honest.--Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 19:16, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
I think its fair to have something like this, though I think it has to be different enough from the peoples infobox for it to stay. Gaetano 00:00, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
Mith, I understand your concern with having many templates. I only made two and I do not have plans to make any other. With this template I am not mixing around things, as this is only being applied to articles that didn't have infoboxes. I changed my mind about this not being applied to the Houses of the Gondothlim, because although they are properly called "kindreds, folks", I realized they are still part of the Gondothlim people; so I'd wish we could keep this and don't apply the term "People" to articles named "House of". --LorenzoCB 20:05, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
Fundamentally the houses of Gondolin are not noble houses. Otherwise there would be no one in Tuors. Either this infobox needs changing or this doesn't belong on those article. I'm happy to accept this infobox for the House of Beor or House of Finwe, for example, but not for those.--Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 09:55, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
They are called "noble houses" in the Quenta Noldorinwa (and therefore in the published Silmarillion). Although in the Lost Tales there are some traces of lineage among the twelve houses, he term "house" is clarily applied due the association under a noble lord (Tuor is not an exception), and anycase the term "noble" is not necesarily limited to a family. --LorenzoCB 11:16, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

[edit] Cadet branches

I wonder if it will be useful to add a section to this infobox template called "Cadet branches."--Tolkienator 23:18, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Mmmm, any example? --LorenzoCB 08:50, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
House of Elendil--> House of Anarion, House of Finarfin--> House of Finrod, House of Finwe--> House of Fingolfin & House of Finarfin, House of Hador--> House of Elros, House of Elros--> House of Elendil.--Tolkienator 14:40, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
Frankly, I don't think it's worth it. --LorenzoCB 15:33, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

[edit] Date of founding

Since there is already a destroyed tab, wouldn't it make sense for there also to be a founding tab as wel?Turiannerevarine 15:03, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

No, there is no foundational dates for any house (what would it be? the birth of the founder or his firstborn...?) --LorenzoCB 17:21, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
Probably the birth of the firstborn, but I guess it doesn't matterTuriannerevarine 17:35, 10 June 2021 (UTC)