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User talk:Nienna-eve


[edit] Welcome!

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-- Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 00:39, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

[edit] Refs

Hello there! I saw you worked quite a bit on Vána's page, and you really tried to make the refs look standardized. But, it's a lot easier if you use the ref templates.

For example, you could search Template:MR for Morgoth's Ring and Template:LT1 for Lost Tales one or Template:LT2 for Lost Tales two. Then you just use the ref codes like MR|P3I1 for Morgoth's Ring - Part Three: The Later Quenta Silmarillion, "Of the Valar" and it's easier than writing out all the chapter names and putting everything in double brackets. Everything will be linked for you. Even if you like typing it all out, it would be best to switch to a ref template or someone may just undo your edits. If you want to see more short-cut template lists just click Help from the navigation menu and then references, or you can search for template lists in the search box. --Elf-esteem 03:40, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

[edit] Misuse / Overuse of Valië and rank designations

Hi again! Please, do not feel discouraged by this. I put this on Vána's talk page, but then I noticed that you were making the same edit revisions on Estë's page, too. So, I thought it would be best to just drop you a note. I am glad you are editing here and adding content, but I have the following suggestions:

The insistence of using Valië every time a Vala female is referred to is unnecessary. Also, we have to be careful, and if you are going to write Valië, which is okay sometimes, do not write it as 'Valie'. Use the special characters at the bottom of the editing page. I would like to clarify that Vala is not the male version of Valië. It is a gender-neutral designation of high-ranking Ainur. Just as Aratar is a gender-neutral term for the highest ranking Valar.

Anyway, once rank is established for the featured character of the page, it does not need to be repeated. (Please see: [Style: Naming] ) This is merely a style issue with clear and concise naming and not a big deal. It would be fair to state once that Vána is a Valië on her page and leave it at that. :) --Elf-esteem 19:35, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

[edit] Names and titles

Hello again, I'd like to encourage you to please read the Naming link under help, particularly with conciseness. In my own creative writing, I love being flowery, too. So, again, I'm not trying to pick on you or make you feel bad. I understand what you are doing. I know Tolkien did this all the time and used it as a way to add character details (Glorfindel the golden haired, Ecthelion of the fair voice, etc.), but this is just an encyclopaedia.

The admin like to keep things simple and straightforward. Everyone does not need to be the spouse of So-and-so, the rank Blah So-and-so, or aka the Blah of Blah-blah. Explaining characters like that can be confusing. They can just be written with the plain character name in brackets.

On the character's page, we include information, as appropriate, about the character's titles and other names, with references, in the general history, in other versions of the legendarium, and in etymology. We do not need to make laundry lists of that character's names nor include the titles of other characters on their page. And, we should not use titles unless we are specifically pointing out the titles and other names the character has in the correct place in their article. Like it says in the help file, in general, just write Gandalf, not 'Gandalf the Grey'. I hope this makes sense. If you have questions or need help, ask an admin on their talk page.

P.S. I did notice that you started using the correct characters for elven words like Valië, so good job there. The only other little thing is capitalization. We have to check Tolkien's writing carefully and should only capitalize what he capitalized when it comes to any post-nominal desginations or general descriptive phrases. --Elf-esteem 19:26, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

What Elf said. There's no need to call Valar "the Vala Ulmo". Would you call Aragorn "the Man Aragorn" and Legolas "the Elf Legolas"? It clutters the page. If they want to know who it is, they can follow the link.
Also, stop changing images. The main image requires discussion. Also, you uploaded an image and claimed it was public domain. That cannot be true. Please take better care.
Educate yourself in the image policy and Manual of Style. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 11:55, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
I (and I'm sure Elf too) would appreciate a response. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 08:19, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

[edit] It has come to my attention

That you are this person on lotr.wikia:

As soon as you got banned for a couple weeks on lotr.wikia, you started editing here. You have been corrected there for the exact same errors that you are making and have been corrected for here. No matter which IP address you log in under, please be aware that I will no longer heed your excuses that you simply did not know any better, got confused, or did not understand. I make mistakes, too, but I read help files and do what the admins say when they correct me. You just plow ahead with your own personal fanfic agenda. You have been wantonly copying articles and material between Tolkien Gateway and lotr.wikia.

Do not presume to play upon my sympathies again with feigned ignorance and sob stories. While I always try to assume good intent, you are a liar. If you continue to not understand, it is because you choose not to. You spend days tinkering with an article and copying paragraphs of text from Lost Tales, but you won't read a help file and follow directions? I will make no further effort to preserve your work. All you are doing is making a hot mess of articles that get tagged for clean-up by an admin as soon as you finish diddling with them. Stop screwing up the Ainur pages! --Elf-esteem 14:45, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

[edit] Genealogical information

I applaud your efforts in adding information to various characters on genealogies, but I just want to urge caution that some of your sentences are becoming overly clunky. On Orodreth, we have an agreed position and I think you are in danger of confusing the reader. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 08:39, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

Beril was a woman. And Beren had no sister called Hiril. I'm surprised no one else raised this. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 09:24, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

[edit] Block

You have been blocked for 2 weeks for consistenly ignoring policies. I notice that you've been blocked before. You will have to start responding to our messages on your talk page (or at least show through your edits that you read the messages), otherwise you will be permanently blocked.--Morgan 21:24, 23 September 2016 (UTC)