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January 12, 2008 - December 19, 2008
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January 9, 2010 - November 19, 2010
February 14, 2011 - December 14, 2011
February 15, 2012 - December 14, 2013

[edit] 2014

[edit] Spam

I don't know if you or Morgan already contacted Hyarion, but I've just emailed him about today's spam influx.-- KingAragorn  talk  contribs  edits  email  17:23, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

I completely forgot to do that. I was too busy having flashbacks to a couple of years back. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 17:32, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for all your effort to undo the mess guys, and thanks for the e-mail KA. For the time being I've just shut off new account creation until we implement a stricter process. Although I'm having a hard time thinking of something stricter, manual approval wouldn't even work since it would be sometimes difficult to differentiate solely based on the username. --Hyarion 17:44, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
You may be aware that I am pretty much computer-less at the moment (temporarily boring a PC right now). The way to fix this, Hyarion, is to change the CAPTCHA questions in LocalSettings.php. That will stop them until they figure out an answer. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 10:54, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

[edit] List of Book that inspired Tolkien

It is difficult to put link sources when I just created the page and was begining to edit including informations, and you delete the page... Be more pacient. Otherwise it will be hard to help this wiki. Unsigned comment by Sigurd (talk • contribs).

Couple of things:
  • Add new messages at the bottom of the talk page. They go in chronological order from old to new.
  • The entire concept is vague. "Books that inspired Tolkien"? Inspired him on what? To write a book? To become a philologist? To write an alternate mythology for England? To write a specific element?
  • As I said, sources. The only source you list is a summary of his personal library, without explaining how this book being in his library inspired him. Unless you have a specific sources that explicitly says Book X inspired him to do action Y, it's just speculation.
  • No content other than a list. The introduction is essentially "Books that have inspired Tolkien are books that have inspired Tolkien".
  • Basic layout and spelling. That's something that you should do before saving the page.
As this is a vague and slippery slope (just as our existing train wreck Inspirations is), it adds nothing at the moment. Without addressing all these points (apart from the first, naturally), I see no point in having it. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 13:38, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
Couple of things:
  • Whatever. If you see the message works.
  • To put links, sources and more informations need time to included.
  • I was working in that page and adding all informations. But is Impossible to do this when someone came and deleted the page... minutes after I began to write.
  • So I think you have to whait some time before going to deleted a page. That is not the first time that you dont have paciense.Unsigned comment by Sigurd (talk • contribs).
While you're putting the page together you can use a sandbox in your user area.-- KingAragorn  talk  contribs  edits  email  16:37, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

[edit] Battle of the Five Armies

I'd just come on to change all the links - I'm glad you beat me to it! Thank you! -- KingAragorn  talk  contribs  edits  email  19:17, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

[edit] Song_of_the_Lonely_Mountain (Talk_Page)

Please forgive me, I really made a mistake: the confusion occured.So, in this time, could you help me, where can I publish my translation? On the forum?
(From Pnompen)

We're not really the right place for fan translations. Also, what would it help? None of us here knows Russian. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 15:45, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

[edit] Copyright Violation

May I ask why the images I uploaded are copyright violations? I personally asked the artist through deviantART. I asked through a note, so I can send you a printscreen or something. She told me that she does not mind as long as she is credited and it is not for profit. I also asked for these three specific images. --Sandy 15:08, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

I explained what you needed to add on your message wall. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 15:14, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
If you mean my Discussion page nothing new has showed up. If you mean another message wall then I have no idea what it is. Sorry :( --Sandy 15:28, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
My bad i just saw it. Thanks for the info! --Sandy 15:29, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
I know, I have spammed you extensively today, and I'm sorry for that. I just want to be sure that this won't happen again. So, I created the page with the permission; Am I allowed to upload them now? And if so, in the template where it says "Permission for use on Tolkien Gateway" will it be automatically linked to the page I created or do I need to do something extra? Thanks again!--Sandy 15:53, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
You need to add the template like you used to, but instead of DeviantArt, write Kimberly. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 16:15, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

[edit] Hi

Sorry for trying to help with info. I wont help anymore. I dont know what you mean by "primary source".

[edit] 2015

[edit] Elves infobox

Yes, you are right about the Longbeards. After all, most of the Dwarven characters in the legendarium are Longbeards.

To return to the topic...As you have no doubt already seen that I created the template for the generic Elven infobox, I think some of the characters from the legendarium should be put under that template: for example: Imin, Tata, Enel and their spouses and many other Elven characters who's nationality isn't determined by any of the writings.

Celeborn would be a good candidate for such a template and few other major characters who have ambiguous histories... Woolly Mammoth 17:08, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Also, please do me a favor and delete the article "Morwë and Nurwë" considering they have no more use on the site.

Woolly Mammoth 17:11, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, a generic/unclear Elf template is a good idea. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 17:11, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Woolly Mammoth, the Nuisance everlasting

To User:Ederchil and User:Mith - wouldn't it be much easier for you to unblock me than to constantly tidy up my "mess" - I have much to contribute to this wiki - and, as I said before, I SINCERELY apologize for any insult made to any of you, especially to User:Mith. From a more practical perspective, it would be good for you to unblock me - of course, if you do not want to clear up the mess that will be gathering in the following years - I am not a madman - I simply feel insulted by your behavior - I would like to edit this wiki - as I no doubt showed before - and it would be to your well-being (and to the well-being of this site) if I would continue editing this Wiki without any further hindrance. As for the images that I uploaded - I have proof that the permission was granted - although I have not been able to present the evidence to you - but if you unblock me I will - the visual representation of Tolkien's works is to me, at least, an important aspect of his work. That is the reason I am hellbent on including the images, and I spend a lot of time on DevinatArt searching for Tolkien related art, and I am in good relation to other members of that community. This is all for me at the time - and I hope you will reconsider the ban.

Respectfully - Woolly Mammoth! Laurentus 20:48, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

It's "Mess" because you're doing exactly the same we told you repeatedly not to do before. You're blocked. Every time you make a new account, you're evading a block - which is also a blockable offence. You're in the penalty box. You can't just jump back on the ice after putting on a teammate's jersey.
Quite frankly, your "practical perspective"... that's an insult. Not just to me (or Mith), but to pretty much every moderator on all kinds of wikis and forums, everywhere on the internet. If you don't see that, I really can't help you. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 21:08, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Again ME

I was just wondering...You are cutting the branch on which you are sitting by consistently blocking my unnumbered profiles. Tell me now...Wouldn't it be easier for you and me to simply unblock me? I have added more "canonical" information to this site than everyone here around.

Take for example Maedhros (which, according to Tolkien's latest use, should be MaeDros) - I have added information which none of your timid fellows has been wont to do.

And by Mith's Pythonesque farewell of "fucking off", I wonder if you, my dear "administrators", hold any supremacy over my "uncivil" behaviour. In the end, I altogether guessed rightly that most of you are, indeed, assholes (or at least you have buried your head in it).

Yours truly...dear Woolly Mammmoth ;).

Your arrogance is truly mindboggling. You were blocked. This ban evasion is also a blockable offense. No matter the quality of your edits, you won't be unblocked.
You're sent to the penalty box. You can't put on a teammate's jersey and get back on the ice. Just because you score a lot of goals doesn't mean that's suddenly okay. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 07:59, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Tim Burton article

Why was it deleted? Tim Burton actually DID work on the 1978 Lord of the Rings film. Sure, he wasn't that famous at the time, but he still did artwork for it. We've got articles for fan films, so I don't see why we couldn't have an article for someone that worked on an official adaptation, however minor the involvement was. It just seems like disrepect to ignore the humble beginnings of such a well-known filmmaker, especially since a lot of people weren't all too famous until they were involved in adapting Tolkien's work. EldritchNexus 15:59, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

The only reason he had an article was not because he

worked on LotR, but because he did other, more famous stuff later. We wouldn't have articles on other artists on the movie either. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 16:10, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

So what? We have separate articles for regional translators and for the Inklings, even the ones that probably never even LOOKED at one of Tolkien's books. We even have articles for artists that worked on the Peter Jackson movies and the other two animated films. What makes the 1978 film the exception? If the article seemed like it was just advertising Tim Burton's other stuff, then how about rewriting it so that it seemed more relevant to Tolkien instead of just deleting it? It's like throwing away a perfectly good pizza just because it had an extra topping you didn't want. EldritchNexus 16:15, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
I would argue it's throwing out a pizza because we're a pie shop. The problem is, there isn't much. What exactly did he work on? --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 16:34, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
Well, Tim Burton was uncredited for his work, but it was one of the first movies he ever worked on, so it's to be expected. He was mostly an "inbetween" artist, so I guess that means he did some miscellaneous artwork. Couldn't tell you which ones were all his, though. Also, in response to that "pie shop" analogy, I'd like to remind you that"pizza pies" are a thing.EldritchNexus 17:05, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

--> Okay, here's a compromise: Have the Tim Burton article on this site, but keep it simple, so that it doesn't delve too deeply into his post-LOTR career. Something like:

"Tim Burton (born on August 25th, 1958) is an American filmmaker. He made his film debut in 1978, as an artist for Ralph Bakshi's animated film adaptation of The Lord of the Rings. He mostly worked on miscellaneous artwork as an "in-between" artist and thus largely remained uncredited for specific pieces."
What do you think? EldritchNexus 19:49, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
Not sure on the use of "miscellaneous artwork". In-between artists also needs no quotation marks, it's a normal job description - they're the people who make the animation fluid by creating the art that's in between the rougher, preliminary animation. The finishing touches. It'd be nice to know what scenes he worked on, if that could be found at all. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 20:35, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Template:VT2

What's happening with Template:VT2[former link]? Is it useful? --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 12:54, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

I'm not sure what my intentions with it were, but it looks like Template:VT covers the same things, so we can probably do without. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 12:57, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
Done. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 13:17, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Vunasti Mamut

Hello! Ederchil! Despite all my mistakes and insults...I truly regret that...Listen up! T is my favorite badass vilaine! I have spent a shitload of time trying to escape from the inevitable killing machine

[edit] Explanation

Do you think I am a liar(that I am lying to you) or I make some kind of a joke about Bolg? In One Wiki to Rule Them All wiki and in Wikipedia pages about Bolg and the Hobbit film trilogy it is never said that Bolg participated in the Battle of Azanulbizar.Moreover, in the One Wiki to Rule Them All wiki about Unamed Orc Brute it is said that Bolg and this Unamed Orc Brute are separate characters.Also you can check it and in Bolg page on IMDB. So that is why I am asking you to change the page on The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey about Bolg.See: Cast

You believe me that I am not liar or I that this is not some kind of joke? Unsigned comment by (talk • contribs).

You're neither a liar nor a joker. You're simply incorrect. Those three sources you list are, like us, third party sources. We included sources that he was initially cast as Azog, before being recast as Bolg. I'd have to check, but BalrogTrainer mentions he appears in the credits as Bolg. Nowhere was he credited as Gundabad Orc or Unnamed Orc Brute. You're removed two primary sources, and offered none in return. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 11:33, 27 November 2015 (UTC)