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[edit] Etymology

I hope my {{fact}} inclusion and comments (seen whilst editing the page) help people understand why the information, as it stands, should be sourced or removed.-- KingAragorn  talk  contribs  edits  email  18:32, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Actually, my main point in this is: with Tolkien, we know the name means something (with very, very few exceptions). With adaptations of his work? We could make guesses to what Perphant, Belenthrond, Belarum, etc. mean, but we don't know if they were ever intended to mean anything - it can just as easily be coincidence. Andriel may (possibly) mean "long garlanded maiden", but "Long garland" makes no sense for a name. Unless there's a source that explicitly states the creators went for "meaningful" as opposed to "Elvish-y sounding", I think we shouldn't include an Etymology section on adaptations characters, unless they share a name with a canonical character. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 18:41, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
As long as it mentions that the etymology is "possible", I see no reason why it should not stay. Jack "BtR" Saxon 18:45, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
As KA mentioned in the note in the article, is "it is possible..." good enough for an encyclopedia? Personally, I don't think so. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 19:05, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
Strongly agree with Ederchil here.--Morgan 19:30, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
I believe that there are other "Possible etymology" sections on this encyclopaedia. Jack "BtR" Saxon 21:13, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
+1 Ederchil Unsigned comment by (talk).
True, and we're going to have to flesh them out. But they are for Tolkien's own characters, not adaptations characters. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 21:38, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
The fact of the matter is we do not know the etymology of the name because we do not know on what basis it was created. It could be that they went through etymologies and thought about. It could be (and what I happen think to this is more likely) that they just made up an Elvishy-name that didn't already exist. It could be that the creators regard the name as meaning "blue chair". Until we know, we know nothing. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 22:29, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
My opinion in this is, that we should only include etymology if one of the designers states what the name means. However, as far as I know none of the designers did ever talk about etymology about anything appearing in the game. So I doubt a source will appear before the end of the week.
In the case of non-adaptation articles, I think we should add "Possible etymology" if a tolkien scholar has pointed it out as a "possible etymology" in a published work (so not a random user on an internet forum). --Amroth 15:34, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
Additionally, how do we know when Andriel was born? --Amroth 15:34, 28 January 2012 (UTC)