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Talk:Rhovanion Campaign (WotR)

This article needs a new title. It is more of a campaign than a single battle, otherwise we could do Battle of Mirkwood (if there is more than one Battle of Mirkwood (WotR)) and Battle of Lothlórien. Several ideas: Dol Guldur Campaign (WotR) or Rhovanion Campaign. More comments later. --Narfil Palùrfalas 12:54, 12 October 2006 (EDT)

I like Battle of Mirkwood and the Lothlorien ones, and the Dol Guldur Campaign would be good for the wotr template, if that's what you were refering to? --Dwarf Lord 13:09, 12 October 2006 (EDT)
As an article title, I'd be inclined to go with something like "The Battles of Mirkwood" or "The War in Mirkwood". --Ted C 13:40, 12 October 2006 (EDT)
Except that this includes battles in Lothlórien and the second siege of Dol Guldur. I think I like Rhovanion Campaign (WotR).--Narfil Palùrfalas 14:05, 12 October 2006 (EDT)

Very nice Narfil. Now if we could get a template for this article we're set. --Dwarf Lord 14:16, 22 October 2006 (CDT)

Maybe we should change the name to either the Battle of Mirkwood, which would just talk about Thranduil's battle, or the Wilderland Campaign. --Dwarf Lord 16:24, 6 March 2007 (EST)

The information is limited enough that we probably shouldn't divide it up too much. We should have an article on the campaign as a whole, in my opinion, though I'm fine with creating articles on the individual battles.
Something I just though of (that may be completely off-topic). I wonder how the Easterlings felt, coming out of the (presumably) warm plains of Rhûn to the harsh cold mountains of Erebor? Cold? Or is there a record that they had been raiding that area previous to that time? I know they came as far as Rohan. --Narfil Palùrfalas 18:54, 6 March 2007 (EST)

Well then I think we should rename it the War in the North, since Rhovanion sometimes is refered to the old kingdom founded by North-men.

I do know that the Easterlings frequently were at war with the kingdom of Dale at its eastern border (the river Carnen) .--Dwarf Lord 21:11, 6 March 2007 (EST)

[edit] Aftermath

In the aftermath-section, there's a mention of the "what could've happened"-thing Gandalf said. But wasn't he referencing the Battle of Dale, thus the Men and the Dwarves, rather than the Elves? -- Ederchil 14:55, 11 March 2008 (EDT)

You're quite correct, Ed. The whole quote runs: "When you think of the great Battle of the Pelennor, do not forget the battles in Dale and the valour of Durin's Folk. Think of what might have been. Dragon-fire and savage swords in Eriador, night in Rivendell." ~ Earendilyon 15:28, 11 March 2008 (EDT)

[edit] Title again

Isn't there anything better? "Northern Theatre of the War of the Ring"? "War in the North"? Or even just "Rhovanion Campaign"? There's really no need for that (IMHO) ugly disambiguation. -- Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 20:44, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

On second thought, as this is basically just a collection of clustered sentences, why don't we just merge this with War of the Ring proper? We can make sections in that, "Northern theatre" and "Southern theatre". -- Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 20:46, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Just discovered this page, more than a year after your comment. I'd say that your proposal is sound. PS: this English language has strange ways of using words like "theatre". Sage 15:42, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
I concur with your suggestion, Ederchil: this article is a mish-mash of collected northern battles - it is certainly not one battle, nor a separate war. I wouldn't recommend using "theatre", though! --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 14:32, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
From Wiktionary:
  1. A region where a particular action takes place; a specific field of action, usually with reference to war.
    His grandfather was in the Pacific theater during the war.
I'm not sure if it's a common sense of the word in British English. -- Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 14:46, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
I'm aware of the meaning I've just never come across it used as such; when used in military contexts I think it's usually used as part of the phrase "theatre of war" or "theatre of operations" but not by itself. But, like I said, I wouldn't recommend it as I don't think many people would be aware of that meaning of the word. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 15:34, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
Since we all seem to agree this page should go, if you will allow me, I will move the page to War of the Ring, and create new pages for the Battle Northern Mirkwood, and the Assaults on Lórien. What say y'all? --Dwarf Lord 21:29, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
Agreed.-- KingAragorn  talk  contribs  edits  email  22:03, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
Somebody please sort this out. It's driving me potty. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 18:24, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
Agree. --Amroth 18:27, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
Merge with WotR? -- Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 22:46, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
Please! --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 16:12, 21 June 2011 (UTC)