Talk:Rhovanion Campaign (WotR)

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Latest comment: 21 June 2011 by Mith in topic Title again

This article needs a new title. It is more of a campaign than a single battle, otherwise we could do Battle of Mirkwood (if there is more than one Battle of Mirkwood (WotR)) and Battle of Lothlórien. Several ideas: Dol Guldur Campaign (WotR) or Rhovanion Campaign. More comments later. --Narfil Palùrfalas 12:54, 12 October 2006 (EDT)

I like Battle of Mirkwood and the Lothlorien ones, and the Dol Guldur Campaign would be good for the wotr template, if that's what you were refering to? --Dwarf Lord 13:09, 12 October 2006 (EDT)
As an article title, I'd be inclined to go with something like "The Battles of Mirkwood" or "The War in Mirkwood". --Ted C 13:40, 12 October 2006 (EDT)
Except that this includes battles in Lothlórien and the second siege of Dol Guldur. I think I like Rhovanion Campaign (WotR).--Narfil Palùrfalas 14:05, 12 October 2006 (EDT)

Very nice Narfil. Now if we could get a template for this article we're set. --Dwarf Lord 14:16, 22 October 2006 (CDT)

Maybe we should change the name to either the Battle of Mirkwood, which would just talk about Thranduil's battle, or the Wilderland Campaign. --Dwarf Lord 16:24, 6 March 2007 (EST)

The information is limited enough that we probably shouldn't divide it up too much. We should have an article on the campaign as a whole, in my opinion, though I'm fine with creating articles on the individual battles.
Something I just though of (that may be completely off-topic). I wonder how the Easterlings felt, coming out of the (presumably) warm plains of Rhûn to the harsh cold mountains of Erebor? Cold? Or is there a record that they had been raiding that area previous to that time? I know they came as far as Rohan. --Narfil Palùrfalas 18:54, 6 March 2007 (EST)

Well then I think we should rename it the War in the North, since Rhovanion sometimes is refered to the old kingdom founded by North-men.

I do know that the Easterlings frequently were at war with the kingdom of Dale at its eastern border (the river Carnen) .--Dwarf Lord 21:11, 6 March 2007 (EST)

Aftermath[edit source]

In the aftermath-section, there's a mention of the "what could've happened"-thing Gandalf said. But wasn't he referencing the Battle of Dale, thus the Men and the Dwarves, rather than the Elves? -- Ederchil 14:55, 11 March 2008 (EDT)

You're quite correct, Ed. The whole quote runs: "When you think of the great Battle of the Pelennor, do not forget the battles in Dale and the valour of Durin's Folk. Think of what might have been. Dragon-fire and savage swords in Eriador, night in Rivendell." ~ Earendilyon 15:28, 11 March 2008 (EDT)

Title again[edit source]

Isn't there anything better? "Northern Theatre of the War of the Ring"? "War in the North"? Or even just "Rhovanion Campaign"? There's really no need for that (IMHO) ugly disambiguation. -- Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 20:44, 10 June 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

On second thought, as this is basically just a collection of clustered sentences, why don't we just merge this with War of the Ring proper? We can make sections in that, "Northern theatre" and "Southern theatre". -- Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 20:46, 10 June 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Just discovered this page, more than a year after your comment. I'd say that your proposal is sound. PS: this English language has strange ways of using words like "theatre". Sage 15:42, 20 September 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I concur with your suggestion, Ederchil: this article is a mish-mash of collected northern battles - it is certainly not one battle, nor a separate war. I wouldn't recommend using "theatre", though! --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 14:32, 7 February 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
From Wiktionary:
  1. A region where a particular action takes place; a specific field of action, usually with reference to war.
    His grandfather was in the Pacific theater during the war.
I'm not sure if it's a common sense of the word in British English. -- Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 14:46, 7 February 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'm aware of the meaning I've just never come across it used as such; when used in military contexts I think it's usually used as part of the phrase "theatre of war" or "theatre of operations" but not by itself. But, like I said, I wouldn't recommend it as I don't think many people would be aware of that meaning of the word. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 15:34, 7 February 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Since we all seem to agree this page should go, if you will allow me, I will move the page to War of the Ring, and create new pages for the Battle Northern Mirkwood, and the Assaults on Lórien. What say y'all? --Dwarf Lord 21:29, 24 March 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Agreed.-- KingAragorn  talk  contribs  edits  email  22:03, 24 March 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Somebody please sort this out. It's driving me potty. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 18:24, 19 June 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Agree. --Amroth 18:27, 19 June 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Merge with WotR? -- Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 22:46, 19 June 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Please! --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 16:12, 21 June 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]