Talk:Elros

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Latest comment: 10 September 2023 by Sage in topic First Mannish king

Renaming[edit source]

Again, I propose renaming this article "Elros" as this is the name most people associate with the character; Tar-Minyatur was his regnal name.--Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 10:09, 16 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Agreed. -- Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 10:25, 16 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Infobox[edit source]

Although I have just updated this infobox, I have to confess I was mightily tempted to change it from Numenorean infobox to Half-elf infobox (afterall, Arwen's infobox is Half-elf and not Gondorian). What does everyone else reckon? --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 14:02, 9 January 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It's always difficult with these borderline cases! I would say Half-elf infobox (because it sounds more fun). ;-) --Morgan 14:24, 9 January 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

House of Hador?[edit source]

I am not sure but I don't think we should mention House of Elros as "cadet branch of House of Hador". Shivam

As we certainly know, Eärendil was the son of Tuor and belonged to the House of Hador, and that's why both of his sons also belonged to that line.
--Ar-Zigûr 08:21, 17 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I know but it will require a lot of work.Shivam
That's your speculation. I have no recall of Earendil or Elros being mentioned as members of any house; and the House of Elros as a cadet branch of the House of Hador sounds pretty wrong to me, specially if we consider the Houses of the Edain as disolved or destroyed by the end of the First Age. Unless you provide specific references for that, please remove that assertion. --LorenzoCB 15:47, 18 March 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

First Mannish king[edit source]

I think chronologically Elros has the special distinction of being the first ever King of a mannish kingdom, being Numenor. In the First Age Men didn't possess any kingdoms, being too primitive,, and even the noblest Edain had no titles higher than Lord or Chieftain, and were usually under the service of an Elf king. The Kingdom of Numenor seems to mark an elevation in the status of Men in their history. I don't know if Tolkien explicitly mentions it somewhere (and it is possible that even in the FA there were primitive kingdoms in the Far East). But it is an interesting notion and should be mentioned somewhere, if not in Elros's article, at least somewhere else. Sage (talk) 12:43, 10 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Well, there is a mention of "Hurin's Kingdom" in the recently revealed Concerning ... 'The Hoard'. - IvarTheBoneless (talk) 12:46, 10 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Interesting that you had noticed and can recall that!! Well done!! However according to the wider context of the Silm. he could refer to Fingon's kingdom, of which Hurin's realm was a fief. Sage (talk) 12:53, 10 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]